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Violet_Crumble

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63. Sorry, but it's not the *truth* when anyone broadbrushes a group of people...

Tue May 6, 2014, 10:03 AM

May 2014

If someone's more intent on refusing to do the very simple and easy thing of putting the word 'some' in front of a group when talking about the negative aspects of some members of a group, then I have to wonder about their motivation, when what they're doing seems to be designed to annoy rather than educate. I detest broadbrushing when it's related to either side in the I/P conflict, and I've yet to see any good argument for why it's okay to do it for gender issues. If someone suspects that what they're going to say is going to be derailed, ensuring that it will be by broadbrushing just doesn't seem the smartest way to go about things...

btw, I'm off to bed, so I'm out of this thread, and I'm just going to leave everyone with a pretty awesome song because that's the sort of person I am. Sorry

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Not All Men: A Brief History of Every Dude�s Favorite Argument [View all] boston bean May 2014 OP

here's another.. boston bean May 2014 #1

. Squinch May 2014 #2

there's a name for him and for that. Supersedeas May 2014 #154

putting "every dude" in the headline looks like bait Enrique May 2014 #3

Well it's the title of the Article el_bryanto May 2014 #4

that's what I was talking about Enrique May 2014 #9

Actually, it robs it of any chance of credibility before the first sentence. winter is coming May 2014 #133

It is Truly Amazing, Isn't It On the Road May 2014 #153

. boston bean May 2014 #5

Why say "all men" when "many men" would actually be much closer to the truth, Nye Bevan May 2014 #6

who says all men? boston bean May 2014 #7

I have been told here that "all men benefit from rape", for example.(nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #10

In some fashion they do. boston bean May 2014 #12

Most men probably dislike "All Men...." as much as most women probably dislike being generalized. Thor_MN May 2014 #15

Again, you are ignoring the context of the statement. boston bean May 2014 #16

Trying to tie absolutes to humans is a fool's errand. Thor_MN May 2014 #34

There was nothing absolutist stated. You would be trying to make it into that. boston bean May 2014 #39

I get the concept/context that you want to use to justify your stereotyping. Thor_MN May 2014 #137

Thor_MN, I appreciate that you're not a rapist! But it's not just because of fear that women may DesertDiamond May 2014 #68

Thank you. I guess that it takes multiple generations to remove a concept from public consciousnes Thor_MN May 2014 #138

Bingo! pintobean May 2014 #18

It started with pointing out a sexist/stereotpyical comment. boston bean May 2014 #20

Yes, I think that is a true statement pintobean May 2014 #31

And in response to my question of whether she was agreeing with a poster above this is what I got. boston bean May 2014 #36

I linked to the comments pintobean May 2014 #45

In your summary, you left off some mighty important info. boston bean May 2014 #48

Not in my opinion. /nt pintobean May 2014 #52

All this controversy is over THAT? rrneck May 2014 #71

so the cartoon is familiar to you in some way? Kali May 2014 #42

Those aren't ways that men benefit from rape el_bryanto May 2014 #26

ah, what did I say... boston bean May 2014 #27

Is there a difference between rape culture and a culture of sexism? el_bryanto May 2014 #30

No one is associating any individual male with rape. boston bean May 2014 #38

I for one, think you understand it *perfectly*. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #37

It would be equally true to say all women benefit from homicide and suicide Major Nikon May 2014 #58

Because it would piss off fewer people Fumesucker May 2014 #8

You really think that "many" men would be better? boston bean May 2014 #11

I guess that depends on your goal. Nye Bevan May 2014 #13

To women walking alone in a parking garage boston bean May 2014 #14

Do you think that all women 'fear walking into a garage' and view every man there as a potential sabrina 1 May 2014 #19

If you fear a place where there is danger, boston bean May 2014 #22

So men don't face danger at all then? I don't curtail my access to public places any more than any sabrina 1 May 2014 #28

Of course men can fear spaces, but not usually rape. boston bean May 2014 #32

Someone should create a "Not All Woman" character... redqueen May 2014 #60

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #88

LOL!! polly7 May 2014 #101

Translation: that post is fucking hilarious, makes me quiver bettyellen May 2014 #104

Translation. polly7 May 2014 #107

I laugh at the idea that either of you give a damn about women, with these crazy bettyellen May 2014 #111

I've helped more women in crisis in my life than you've probably even met. polly7 May 2014 #112

First Polly, I am truly sorry for what you have been through but so proud of you for not just sabrina 1 May 2014 #136

Aww ... Sabrina, you're always so kind. polly7 May 2014 #149

FYI.... Bobbie Jo May 2014 #114

FYI -- Jury Results Gore1FL May 2014 #118

Wow, I hope that alerter is brave enough to reveal herself/himself. polly7 May 2014 #120

oddly enough Egnever May 2014 #157

It's not that odd, really. polly7 May 2014 #158

Thank you. nt. polly7 May 2014 #99

How about an 80-year old guy accompanied by his daughter and granddaughters? Nye Bevan May 2014 #21

Probably not. boston bean May 2014 #24

How about astronauts during a spacewalk? Or a quadriplegic in bettyellen May 2014 #106

The quadriplegic might be faking it. Ted Bundy used a similar ploy IIRC (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #113

The fact that "we could throw out all sorts of scenarios" Gore1FL May 2014 #121

:your: goal ? what is Your Goal, Nye Bevan in this thread and in the larger context? Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #123

even the phrase "some" women hfojvt May 2014 #97

Yes. "Some Women" written by *one* poster set off a shitstorm lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #116

EVERY DUDE'S favorite argument? Threedifferentones May 2014 #17

Super funny and to the point. blackspade May 2014 #23

And still there are those stating... NOT ALL MEN boston bean May 2014 #25

Okay, you see ALL MEN as potential rapists, I do not. So at least ONE WOMAN isn't living in fear of sabrina 1 May 2014 #29

Like I said above, they need a cartoon boston bean May 2014 #33

Thank you, Sabrina. Couldn't have said it all better myself. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #35

Count me out, too. polly7 May 2014 #103

Count me out, as well. Blue_In_AK May 2014 #124

More tragic than comedic.... blackspade May 2014 #144

I've got a question about this... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #40

Ah, because no one is stating what is being implied. ok. boston bean May 2014 #41

People don't say stuff like '�I�m just sick of how men�� ? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #43

So, each women should spell out and name the person she is specifically speaking of boston bean May 2014 #46

No, just use some common sense and do what most people discussing I/P do... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #49

Violet, what I have tried to point out above, boston bean May 2014 #55

Sorry, but it's not the *truth* when anyone broadbrushes a group of people... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #63

In the context that it is meant it is the truth. Sorry. boston bean May 2014 #64

You mean like: The Straight Story May 2014 #115

huh? You think many women trap their boyfriends into marriage by getting pregnant? boston bean May 2014 #119

*facepalm* it is not about the issue but the language in discussing it I was referring to The Straight Story May 2014 #122

in your mind that is what it is about. boston bean May 2014 #127

My opinion The Straight Story May 2014 #128

I largely agree but we shouldn't overdo the parsing of internet discussion posts. Jim Lane May 2014 #148

Amazing how quick a couple of caped crusaders showed up. nt. NCTraveler May 2014 #44

I'm no caped crusader. I just don't like people broadbrushing any group of people n/t Violet_Crumble May 2014 #51

"I'm no caped crusader." NCTraveler May 2014 #53

Well, you said a couple turned up and I wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't one... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #54

So who did you mean? Seems the OP is being 'misunderstood' at least that is what I am hearing sabrina 1 May 2014 #59

I think he figured it out just fine. boston bean May 2014 #62

Society is evolving right past them redqueen May 2014 #67

Society has evolved past feminism Harmony Blue May 2014 #77

Wrong. redqueen May 2014 #86

Here's the problem for you. There is no 'gender war' going on among most people. There is an sabrina 1 May 2014 #69

I don't think there is a gender war. boston bean May 2014 #72

Except you're the "only" one claiming feminists claim "only" women have issues that need attention.. bettyellen May 2014 #98

Good post Sabrina Harmony Blue May 2014 #66

You even used the word "couple"..... boston bean May 2014 #80

I made a simple statement..... NCTraveler May 2014 #108

no, you made a snarky comment attacking some duers Violet_Crumble May 2014 #147

None of what I posted was really nasty. NCTraveler May 2014 #150

nice job of getting a bunch of them to self-demonstrate the point Kali May 2014 #47

+1 nt. NCTraveler May 2014 #102

Yep. nt laundry_queen May 2014 #152

I see that Not-All-Man didn't use the door. Subtext? Blue_Adept May 2014 #50

"I'm just sick of how women..." yodermon May 2014 #56

It has been a week already? snooper2 May 2014 #57

Hey, it was nine whole hours from the timeout to the flamebait LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #73

So you agree, "Not all men" is flamebait boston bean May 2014 #74

I even tried to wait up to see how long it would take LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #75

You gotta find some better things to do. boston bean May 2014 #76

Why? I enjoy vodka. LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #78

I didn't necessarily mean that. I mean staying up all night boston bean May 2014 #82

"Up all night" is relative LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #84

You HAVE to try Crystal Head vodka.. amazing stuff. opiate69 May 2014 #130

I have a bottle, with the cool little shotglasses LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #131

Oh, man.. a shot, either chilled in the freezer or over a single cube of ice... opiate69 May 2014 #132

Tito's is where it's at. tammywammy May 2014 #135

+10000 maddezmom May 2014 #151

Interesting that Time.com is also running this piece: Orrex May 2014 #61

Yeah, Woodley hit waaaay too close to home LittleBlue May 2014 #105

I LOVE this guy!! "Defender of the defended! Protector of the protected! Voice of the voiceful!" DesertDiamond May 2014 #65

Not all men are witty, awesome and hot... Blue_Tires May 2014 #155

So, reading through the thread... pipi_k May 2014 #70

Likely It's flamebait, Katashi_itto May 2014 #79

Exactly it is a gray area maddezmom May 2014 #81

Then it wouldn't be a broadbrush insult. Where's the fun in that? Marr May 2014 #100

This. Springslips May 2014 #109

I hate the way that feminists make sweeping generalizations about men. Vattel May 2014 #83

And now for the thread's greatest hits... rrneck May 2014 #85

I Got Stung pintobean May 2014 #87

It's a valid statement if someone is broadbrushing. WatermelonRat May 2014 #89

Are people deliberately misunderstanding the "potential rapist" thing? gollygee May 2014 #90

He's also a potential mugger. rrneck May 2014 #91

That doesn't stop him from being a potential rapist gollygee May 2014 #92

The same can be said for the other three examples. nt rrneck May 2014 #93

Not really. gollygee May 2014 #94

Why? ntt rrneck May 2014 #134

I understand that one just fine hfojvt May 2014 #95

Yes, exactly gollygee May 2014 #96

you got it. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #126

But what about pipi_k May 2014 #110

The guest-star appearances of people BEING THIS GUY in this thread are priceless. n/t MadrasT May 2014 #117

award winning, they should be. like performance art, right on cue Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #125

So productive! whatchamacallit May 2014 #129

+1 Rename the place GenderWar Underground. nt Damansarajaya May 2014 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author Damansarajaya May 2014 #139

This reminds me of that great cartoon, "Not All Black Men in Hoodies", did you see that one? dilby May 2014 #141

where's that toon? nt alp227 May 2014 #142

Oh joy..... another Mark Twain was right thread! whistler162 May 2014 #143

Oh, FFS quinnox May 2014 #145

Not all misandrists ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #146

There's no need to fear ~ Not All Woman is here! Zorra May 2014 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #159