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In reply to the discussion: No Russians among Slavyansk self-defense forces - NYT reporters [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)limit your sources to try to find someone who validates your own views of the issues.
As for your claim that 'just because those they spoke to were Ukrainians doesn't mean there are no Russian troops there'?
Well, they haven't found them, have they? It doesn't mean Santa Claus isn't there either, or you or me. But since no one has been able to find Santa Claus, or you or me, the logical conclusion is neither we nor Santa Claus ARE there.
What we do know is that the victims of the Odessa Massacre were anti-Kiev most of whom were running into the building to hide, were prevented from getting out, bodies cheered as the fell to the ground, dead etc. logic tells us that some pretty violent pro-Kiev thugs were there and that a Neutral Investigation absolutely needs to start immediately.
By that I mean NO EU, no US and no UKRAINE or Russian participants should be involved. The evidence so far should SHOCK those supporting the coup in Kiev and should cause them, as I'm sure it has, to rethink that support. Until some other evidence is found, the media here who would have screaming headlines demanding 'justice' while barely reporting on this terrible human tragedy, remain suspect regarding their biases.
As I said before, and will repeat. Had elections been held early, had there been no coup, none of this would be happening.
We need to get out of this game of backing anyone, no matter how violent, to further 'our own interests'. Our credibility as a nation is so low that we cannot influence anything anymore unless we employ deceptive means to try to do so.
Our foreign policies need a complete and thorough redirection. Enough of these 'proxie wars', I am quoting Hillary on that, where all that happens is innocent people get killed.