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127. Hmmmm...I think the money is the largest part of the problem...

Tue May 6, 2014, 08:54 PM

May 2014

I go back to my main point - the Right Wing has the $$$ and the big donors (Koch, Adelson, etc.) on their side, and they can bury a candidate - take a look at how Fiengold lost in Wisconsin. For every one ad he ran, 5 or 6 Teabag adds ran against him.

Obama turned his back because he realized the same thing that Clinton did before he was inaugurated - the $$$ is not with the progressive wing or the left - it's with Corporate America and the Banks. They own the joint, and they must be coddled to.

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All I want is for the Democrats to watch my back -- without a knife in hand [View all] Armstead May 2014 OP

Watch it sonny, that thar' is "randroid" talk. Pholus May 2014 #1

ya dirty naderite Armstead May 2014 #3

How did I ever forget that one! :) Pholus May 2014 #4

A BIG K&R hobbit709 May 2014 #2

Just this week net neutrality, toll roads, internet IDs, insulting those opposed to TPP... Demo_Chris May 2014 #5

And why not? zeemike May 2014 #7

Yep. When so few demand representation we will not have representation. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #16

One problem is the Tea Party types and Corporations demand representation and get it Armstead May 2014 #20

That's because the Teapublicans have the political backstop and the $$$... elzenmahn May 2014 #41

Obama made a good start on tat -- But once elected turned his back Armstead May 2014 #56

Hmmmm...I think the money is the largest part of the problem... elzenmahn May 2014 #127

The democratic party of today often ignores those that built it, as well as, millions and RKP5637 May 2014 #57

And that's my point... Armstead May 2014 #21

what are you going to do? <- The plantation or the pits aren't the only choices. jtuck004 May 2014 #107

Also the USDA has decided to change what ORGANIC They_Live May 2014 #19

Fuck! CrispyQ May 2014 #55

Also, if RMoney or McCain were pushing any of this crap and they would be, SammyWinstonJack May 2014 #87

You are absolutely correct Armstead May 2014 #148

Sssshhh, every time anyone mentions the Republican/Corporate Cabinet members there is some sabrina 1 May 2014 #174

Amen billhicks76 May 2014 #125

Excellent post MissDeeds May 2014 #128

I Like Your Name billhicks76 May 2014 #147

Unfortunately, well said. pangaia May 2014 #158

An excellent rant. The hits have been coming hard and fast lately. Autumn May 2014 #6

re: Net Neutrality: Tom Wheeler's response NorthCarolina May 2014 #8

Well, he's certainly not going to be honest -- Nor is his boss Armstead May 2014 #17

I feel your pain. ctsnowman May 2014 #9

Glad to kick this eloquent rant. I feel much the same. Scuba May 2014 #10

You can start by acknowledging just how clueless you are. Trust Buster May 2014 #11

How naive you must be to think that the 'game' and money just entered the equation with Bluenorthwest May 2014 #13

Given the current rules, money is the only thing that matters. Trust Buster May 2014 #22

That cart has long been in front of the horse -- Dems heped put it there Armstead May 2014 #27

You show weakness with your personal attack. Very telling. Thank you Trust Buster May 2014 #52

You started out on this thread with a personal attack Fumesucker May 2014 #132

you are the one who attacked us. nt hopemountain May 2014 #136

Says the person that apparently can't remember what he wrote three posts ago. JoeyT May 2014 #142

Elizabeth Warren. Read her new book, A Fighting Chance. That's where the answers are. JDPriestly May 2014 #100

+1. n/t Laelth May 2014 #160

"Us folks?" Maedhros May 2014 #110

Oh screw that cop-out shit -- This predates Citizens United by decades Armstead May 2014 #18

Chuck Shumer receives enough money from Wall Street...... Trust Buster May 2014 #25

A compelling message can overcome a lot of financial obstacles Armstead May 2014 #29

He didn't win without $1 billion in direct donations and another half billion... Trust Buster May 2014 #36

Votes. It's about votes. Money is one means to that end. But not the only one. Armstead May 2014 #38

Once Obama wins his second term he'll be free to take off the gloves and follow his heart pursuing GoneFishin May 2014 #84

What we "need" and you all always seem to forget..... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #48

Winning the midterms is very important but we must also have one eye on 2016. rhett o rick May 2014 #99

No it doesn't matter 6 of one....half a dozen of the other...without winning the Midterms VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #111

I think H. Clinton will allow Wall Street to continue the looting of America. We need a progressive rhett o rick May 2014 #112

there's your problem right there... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #115

But of course you would. I guess it doesnt matter what their principles are. rhett o rick May 2014 #122

My principles say I am a Democrat....got a problem with THAT? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #129

"got a problem with THAT?" Really? Really? rhett o rick May 2014 #133

and I vote for the candidate my fellow Democrats and I select in the Primaries VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #138

I trust people that are worthy of trust not because the are Democrats. Not all rhett o rick May 2014 #151

I am talking about your fellow Democrats....not the politicians VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #155

"what do you hate about Primaries? " Insinuation by question. rhett o rick May 2014 #163

You mean like that heretic Elizabeth Warren? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #167

And even Joe Lieberman is better than ANY one the Republicans have... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #131

Yes I agree. But I wouldnt support him over Ned Lamont A TRUE DEMOCRAT. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #134

Then you JUST took back what you previously said.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #137

Your case is a little confusing. You support all Democrats regardless of their positions on issues ? rhett o rick May 2014 #162

Only to those that backpedal! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #168

Some it seems are easily manipulated by the oligarch-overloards. By making the rhett o rick May 2014 #169

it has nothing to do with any of that drivel....I am a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #170

I know I've mentioned it before, but please do read Elizabeth Warren's new book. JDPriestly May 2014 #101

Of course I will read it.....BUT E. Warrren has endorsed Hillary's candidacy and VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #113

Elizabeth Warren doesn't run for jobs. Jobs run toward her. JDPriestly May 2014 #143

Elizabeth Warren doesn't lie......I don't need to read the book to know that. VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #161

Another good reason for drafting her for president if necessary. She doesn't lie. JDPriestly May 2014 #172

she doesn't want it...and HAS said so numerous times...AND she doesn't lie VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #173

I haven't said that she wants it. I have said that many of us want her. JDPriestly May 2014 #175

Are you planning to tickle her with feathers until she agrees to run for President.. VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #176

To some the only test of a candidate is whether or not they are a Democrat. rhett o rick May 2014 #126

Yes because just BEING a Democrat is not enough... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #139

You're wasting your time and energy JDPriestly,. 2banon May 2014 #144

If money were the end-all you claim jeff47 May 2014 #60

First off, "pal," I don't appreciate you Le Taz Hot May 2014 #71

First of all you can start by acknowledging just how rude it is to call someone on rhett o rick May 2014 #97

Plus 0ne thousand times one hundred! Auntie Bush May 2014 #141

Minus one thousand times one hundred Armstead May 2014 #165

You can start by acknowledging how clueless your detractors are. They deny you the right to want Vincardog May 2014 #12

Denying the significant influence of special interest money.... Trust Buster May 2014 #26

My position is the the OP is correct in wanting Democratic office holders to watch his back not Vincardog May 2014 #28

More of the same apparently Armstead May 2014 #30

The OP is correct but unrealistic. We are not the people who fill the politicians campaign coffers Trust Buster May 2014 #35

Actually inspire enough people to give a small donation -- Thats one way to overcome that Armstead May 2014 #40

Unrealistic? bvar22 May 2014 #82

IT is only "unrealistic" if we think our job is over on election day. They think they can forget us Vincardog May 2014 #85

What is realistic is to assume they migh do what they claim to want to do Armstead May 2014 #89

That would be and should be and I want it too, I was jsut responding to another nay sayer Vincardog May 2014 #91

To be accurate, Obama's Army for CHANGE was told to go home. bvar22 May 2014 #90

+1 nt laundry_queen May 2014 #185

Here is what I want and expect from my office holders. totodeinhere May 2014 #62

amen Armstead May 2014 #70

You summed up how a Republic is supposed to work Harmony Blue May 2014 #14

I know howyou feel. I've finally given up on the GOP. And a lot of "centrist" Dems seem mildly ... marble falls May 2014 #15

I just got a email from the head of a Union classykaren May 2014 #23

EXACTLY - You Hit Nail on the head. Armstead May 2014 #24

Because that President had to raise in excess of a $1 billion to win re-election. Trust Buster May 2014 #32

Candidates need votes. People have votes. Armstead May 2014 #37

That was cute. "Money is a means to an end". Trust Buster May 2014 #39

"Real World" a true cliche if ever I heard one Armstead May 2014 #43

Until we can figure out a way to change the system, it's all we have right now. Trust Buster May 2014 #46

You dont change the systenm until you start challenging the system Armstead May 2014 #51

The "real world" pap is just another way to demoralize the populace by driving expectations lower. myrna minx May 2014 #54

Demoralize the populace ? You're kidding, right ? Trust Buster May 2014 #78

I find your arguments thorough out this thread to be weirdly disingenuous. myrna minx May 2014 #81

People saying that surrender is "real world" answer are the ultimate cause of demoralization Armstead May 2014 #88

agreed. and challenge involves risk. tomp May 2014 #156

I believe they want to win -- it's governing they have a problem with Armstead May 2014 #166

you missed my point. tomp May 2014 #187

Well I agree with you about the bones and crumbs part -- but it doesn't have to be "always" Armstead May 2014 #189

You can throw all the Mbrow May 2014 #45

We lost the House because after the 2010 census, Republican controlled state legislatures Trust Buster May 2014 #47

*Democratic myrna minx May 2014 #50

+1000 noiretextatique May 2014 #72

... SammyWinstonJack May 2014 #92

Good catch Armstead May 2014 #103

LOL Enthusiast May 2014 #106

pwned bobduca May 2014 #140

And how did the GOP get the wherewithal to be able to do so much gerrymandering? totodeinhere May 2014 #69

I especially hate that part too. Octafish May 2014 #31

Here's how I see it. JNelson6563 May 2014 #33

We've had strong Dem majorities -- It will require much more than that Armstead May 2014 #34

...but look who is powering their money machine... elzenmahn May 2014 #42

Sadly the last time this was true JNelson6563 May 2014 #65

The average 2012 Senate campaign cost $10 million...... Trust Buster May 2014 #44

I would like that too but have we EVER had that? Kablooie May 2014 #49

Never 100 percent -- but a lot more than now Armstead May 2014 #53

I agree that the system has tilted a lot. Kablooie May 2014 #73

I worry that is may soon reach that point Armstead May 2014 #75

The Third Way has a message for you. Jackpine Radical May 2014 #58

And i have a message for them -- Armstead May 2014 #64

+100000000 I was just about to comment on the "rebuttals" in this thread. woo me with science May 2014 #66

It f'in amazes me Armstead May 2014 #77

you underestimate the Tiger Beat crowd Skittles May 2014 #120

LOL laundry_queen May 2014 #186

OMG go read some of their posts Skittles May 2014 #188

they're "Reagan Dems"--like all the neocons, in fact MisterP May 2014 #95

HA! SammyWinstonJack May 2014 #93

du rec. xchrom May 2014 #59

This is precisely why I have been arguing with the just vote crowd nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #61

The pool of candidates for those higher offices come from the lower offices. jeff47 May 2014 #67

Then show up at the polls. And bring your friends who don't bother to vote in midterms. jeff47 May 2014 #63

You're absoutely right in theory -- but in practice Dems always squander victory Armstead May 2014 #68

They don't respond because they fear the right, not the left. jeff47 May 2014 #76

One diagreement with that Armstead May 2014 #79

You are looking for instant results, given that you are complaining about jeff47 May 2014 #80

I used that as one example -- Armstead May 2014 #86

Again, doing anything about it requires an immediate change. jeff47 May 2014 #102

I'm not sure of what you are getting at Armstead May 2014 #104

Gotcha. It appears we were talking past each other. (nt) jeff47 May 2014 #105

K&R.... daleanime May 2014 #74

This is why I'm reluctant to let Hillary get behind me pscot May 2014 #83

+1000 I would not trust Hillary even with plastic cutlery. woo me with science May 2014 #96

We continue accepting the "lesser of two evils" argument. pa28 May 2014 #94

That, in a nutshell Armstead May 2014 #108

K&R. Thank you. My sentiments exactly. JDPriestly May 2014 #98

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2014 #109

Yep BlindTiresias May 2014 #114

I wonder that too Armstead May 2014 #119

Ordinary citizens can't even keep up with the Bills for Legislation because they are modified KoKo May 2014 #124

HUMONGOUS K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #116

this is why you'd want politicians out front smiting. firebrands actually work. NuttyFluffers May 2014 #117

Best OP on DU right now. woo me with science May 2014 #118

Amen! scarletwoman May 2014 #121

Thank you, you speak for me. scarletwoman May 2014 #123

Thanks, the feeling is mutual Armstead May 2014 #149

This is what I have been... WiffenPoof May 2014 #130

+1000 Raksha May 2014 #191

Sorry. No. Can. Do. DeSwiss May 2014 #135

^^^This! 1000+!^^^ n/t 2banon May 2014 #145

K&R'd Excellent Post, Armstead. 2banon May 2014 #146

Excellent Rant. blackspade May 2014 #150

The DEM Party has long been the Party of "We suck a little bit less than the GOPee." blkmusclmachine May 2014 #152

You Speak TRUTH. Thanks. K&R'ed. Tommymac May 2014 #153

Sadly, I must agree nikto May 2014 #154

In all honesty... 99Forever May 2014 #157

I don't totally agree with that Armstead May 2014 #164

k&r for a righteous rant. n/t Laelth May 2014 #159

I think you have it backwards treestar May 2014 #171

I suppose you didn't comprehend my post Armstead May 2014 #178

No party can represent your beliefs treestar May 2014 #184

Why do you think they want "fast track" trade deals? Armstead May 2014 #190

They want to fast track it. Egnever May 2014 #193

Concessions to whom? Armstead May 2014 #194

That's great rhetoric Egnever May 2014 #195

I'm well aware of that Armstead May 2014 #196

knr n/t slipslidingaway May 2014 #177

Respectfully, if that's what you want, move to Western Europe or Canada Hippo_Tron May 2014 #179

With all due respect I'd rather see attainable progress Armstead May 2014 #180

Okay, so get mad and do something about it! Hippo_Tron May 2014 #181

Well in my own tiny little ways I've been there done that for about 40 years now Armstead May 2014 #182

I get it, we're on the same page... Hippo_Tron May 2014 #183

K & R Raksha May 2014 #192