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Recursion

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44. Nope.
Tue May 6, 2014, 10:47 PM
May 2014

Tons and tons of Pentagon studies on this; they didn't go to drones on a whim. It's a way to attack a target without the immense collateral damage associated with infantry and its artillery support.

A single high explosive 155mm shell from an M777 will flatten a three-story brownstone rowhouse and shatter every window for 200 meters. A single fire mission or barrage consists of 12 of these shells falling within 30 meters of each other. A platoon moving through an urban area can expect to call in a fire mission for about every 100 meters traveled. A battalion (the smallest unit realistically sent after a target) is 9 such platoons. So, 9 of those barrages for every 100 meters traversed, just to get the infantry into position to then attack. (And the infantry are bringing mortars along to do a smaller version of what the M777 does once they start the assault.)

Even without artillery support, infantry are absolutely devastating to inhabited areas. Consider the battle of Mogadishu (the primary reason infantry only move with artillery support nowadays): the best estimate is that 3000 civilians were killed in that fighting, all just to get Omar Elmi. That's actually a great example of when a drone would have saved thousands of lives: bomb the building he was meeting in, and that's 3000 Somalis who wouldn't have died that day.

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Would you support the use of drones, if possible, knowing it could kill some of the girls? morningfog May 2014 #1
It would depend on the circumstances. As it is, some of the girls have probably already died. pnwmom May 2014 #7
So what is the maximum number of girls killed by drone you would say justifies a strike? morningfog May 2014 #12
I don't know. It would depend on the circumstances, such as what is happening to the girls pnwmom May 2014 #14
Dead is dead especially to the parents of those girls. Perhaps we should ask THEM if they are sabrina 1 May 2014 #22
I'm not suggesting we do anything unless the Nigerian government requests. pnwmom May 2014 #36
Yes. I would also support drones against the Lord's Resistance Army. The question is could we use okaawhatever May 2014 #2
That IS the question. n/t pnwmom May 2014 #8
Yes. AZ Mike May 2014 #3
If done with certainty and precision, yes I would. nt NYC_SKP May 2014 #4
if so you support use of drones to kill you and your family just because.... nt msongs May 2014 #5
Just because? This evil man has just kidnapped hundreds of girls and is threatening pnwmom May 2014 #9
Put yourself in the place of those parents. If your daughter was to be sacrificed in order to TRY to sabrina 1 May 2014 #23
Right: kidnapping, slavery, and murder is "just because." Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #15
Would you have supporting droning the home of the monster who kept those three American sabrina 1 May 2014 #24
Um...no. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #28
I doubt their family kidnapped 200 girls and bragged about selling them. nt. delta17 May 2014 #16
Neither I, nor my family have kidnapped, killed, or otherwise harmed defenseless schoolchildren. nt msanthrope May 2014 #20
It could possibly escalate into a full-scale civil war Blue_Tires May 2014 #6
The operators would have to be seconded to the Nigerian government. MADem May 2014 #10
They had a civil war in the 70s. AngryAmish May 2014 #27
They're arguably having another one already Blue_Tires May 2014 #30
Kill the bad guys!!!!!! oldhippie May 2014 #11
I do not support any U.S. military intervention. JackRiddler May 2014 #13
No. I've paid attention. We don't care much who we kill with our drones, and once we Warren Stupidity May 2014 #17
I oppose all armed drones no matter which sob story is told to sell them. TheKentuckian May 2014 #18
What if the UN authorized it? They're calling this a "crime against humanity." n/t pnwmom May 2014 #19
Don't care if ANYONE short of God calls for it. I oppose the proliferation of remotes. TheKentuckian May 2014 #32
"Sob story" strikes me as a slightly dismissive description of hundreds of young ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #21
It's not just you. rudolph the red May 2014 #29
No less dismissive than "collateral damage" and infinitely less dismissive than "combatants" TheKentuckian May 2014 #33
Neither of which terms I employ, but by logical extension you must be ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #46
Compared not equate. Logic FAIL TheKentuckian May 2014 #47
Several questions sarisataka May 2014 #25
I"m not sure of how I feel in any case -- I really was asking a question. pnwmom May 2014 #34
That is a tough road to back up from once gone down....sounds good but in reality randys1 May 2014 #26
Absolutely not quinnox May 2014 #31
No. You can't take them all out with drones, and the survivors will just kill the victims. Xithras May 2014 #35
You mean the guy they have on tape saying he kidnapped them XRubicon May 2014 #37
It's a silly hypothetical MattBaggins May 2014 #38
At least two of the girls have already died. pnwmom May 2014 #39
Not talking about principles MattBaggins May 2014 #40
Boots on the ground kills three times as many innocents as drones Recursion May 2014 #41
I'm going to go ahead and suggest that your claim is hogwash MattBaggins May 2014 #42
Actually, it's true. Major Hogwash May 2014 #43
Nor do they call in mortars and artillery, or have to clear mines and barricades Recursion May 2014 #45
Nope. Recursion May 2014 #44
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