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Wed May 7, 2014, 06:42 PM

May 2014

The regulations on armor piercing ammo are among the strangest of the federal firearms regulations. The first is that AP ammo is rather odd in its definition. The ATF defines it as handgun ammunition, but there’s a catch. If any handgun has ever been made in a specific caliber, then ATF considers that the AP ammo regulations then apply to that caliber. That’s why you can’t buy AP ammo for cartridges like 7.62×39 and several others. The 5.56x45NATO is specifically exempted from this, even though there are pistols made for it.

It’s perfectly legal to possess, purchase, sell or shoot armor piercing ammunition. It’s not legal to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition.
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I saw this on the web, so it must be true.
http://www.pagunblog.com/2007/07/29/armor-piercing-ammo/

I got a lot of other hits too. Wanna backtrack on that?

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Hillary Clinton Goes THERE: "Gun control laws have grown too lax and need to be tightened" [View all] kpete May 2014 OP

She's getting all female-problemed and wants to take mah gun NightWatcher May 2014 #1

Laugh all you want, but this is a problem. appal_jack May 2014 #2

You sound concerned. nt msanthrope May 2014 #4

You sound vapid. appal_jack May 2014 #5

You seem concerned. nt msanthrope May 2014 #6

You seem redundant. nt appal_jack May 2014 #7

I'm not she just blew any chance of ever winning the primary oneofthe99 May 2014 #45

Warren isn't running. nt msanthrope May 2014 #71

No she didn't... Agschmid May 2014 #79

Is Warren pro-gun and anti-gun control? BainsBane May 2014 #113

How many elected Dems, period, are explicitly anti-gun control? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #191

Depends on the state , south and midwest is not NYC or CT or CA oneofthe99 May 2014 #202

She supports the 2nd but would support an AWB if it was placed in front of her oneofthe99 May 2014 #200

What is all the fuss.. GOPee May 2014 #209

you're saying Hillary blew her chance of winning the primary b/c of gun control? CreekDog May 2014 #197

No way: "Hillary could come forward with concrete proposals toward expanding background..." FSogol May 2014 #8

It's as if gungeoneers think we don't know who is posting there. nt msanthrope May 2014 #20

They'll really lose their minds when she wins. FSogol May 2014 #41

The right wing is gonna go nuckin' futs. nt msanthrope May 2014 #70

+1,000 nt MADem May 2014 #60

I think I will laugh, yes. DanTex May 2014 #11

Actually Populist_Prole May 2014 #24

Like I said, I haven't seen any evidence of that. At all. DanTex May 2014 #31

I have. Seriously Populist_Prole May 2014 #87

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Brainstormy May 2014 #67

I agree. Hopefully this is just a way for her to introduce what she does find acceptable for gun okaawhatever May 2014 #13

Well, any progressive stance will rile up the conservative base. DanTex May 2014 #16

It's not about being for or against gun control so much as defining where you stand. I think Hillary okaawhatever May 2014 #33

She just needs to be specific hack89 May 2014 #64

Oh, I think they'll paint her (or any Democrat) as a gun-grabber. groundloop May 2014 #117

90% of Americans support universal background checks. 65% think we already have them. Scuba May 2014 #18

She did not call for universal background checks. former9thward May 2014 #29

Okay, she should've been a little more specific, maybe. Still doesn't make this a major gaffe. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #193

I agree with your analysis Populist_Prole May 2014 #22

I happen to agree with you... TeeYiYi May 2014 #35

Anyone who votes based on being pro-2A BainsBane May 2014 #112

I am a pro-Second Amendment liberal Democrat derby378 May 2014 #115

This was my point BainsBane May 2014 #142

Dems will never pass strict gun control hack89 May 2014 #151

Your point is fair derby378 May 2014 #182

+100 billh58 May 2014 #116

Well, I look forward to the 90% margin of victory. No need to even campaign? nt appal_jack May 2014 #121

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #137

Really? Is there a Republican sitting in the White House? BainsBane May 2014 #138

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #139

Polls show 90 percent of the country favors stricter gun control BainsBane May 2014 #141

well there goes the white suburban male idiot vote. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #157

She can afford to do this. Paladin May 2014 #3

She might be able to afford it and she might not, but Congressional Democrats can't. Lasher May 2014 #10

1994? Really? The NRA hasn't fed you guys a new talking point in 20 years? DanTex May 2014 #12

Yes, 1994. Really. Are you afraid to debate the issue? Lasher May 2014 #14

Afraid? LOL. NRA talking points make me shudder! DanTex May 2014 #17

Those "talking points" are those of Bill Clinton. former9thward May 2014 #34

You do know that Hillary is Bill's wife, right? DanTex May 2014 #36

No, never had a clue. former9thward May 2014 #38

I know! It's just like this... derby378 May 2014 #50

not just 1994 forthemiddle May 2014 #48

"Democrat lawmakers" CreekDog May 2014 #198

It appears he is. n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #54

I am disappointed but not surprised. This is often a place for fair debate but not in this thread. Lasher May 2014 #108

When people do debate BainsBane May 2014 #143

But I am not the gungeon crowd. I am an individual. Lasher May 2014 #168

bad behavior? BainsBane May 2014 #192

I didn't think so. Lasher May 2014 #208

Good. I'm glad she's weakening her position as front-runner. closeupready May 2014 #9

Sure, because anyone who would vote for a Democrat wants lax gun control laws. Beacool May 2014 #23

Well, you are the one who untruthed about her 'atoning' for her vote closeupready May 2014 #25

Sure, I'm for the Second Amendment. Beacool May 2014 #43

Says nothing about muskets; anyway, you just go on closeupready May 2014 #49

That's the type of arms they had at that time. Beacool May 2014 #55

So the 1st Amendment doesn't apply to electronic media, only the written word? hack89 May 2014 #63

Funny how that always makes them stop and think. (n/t) derby378 May 2014 #80

Whatever. You're doing a good job. Keep it up. closeupready May 2014 #65

you've just sunken her chances!!111!11111!! she's doooomed now... dionysus May 2014 #165

Our forefathers could not have foreseen the power of the arms that we have nowadays. Beacool May 2014 #166

They did, however, foresee the need to change the Constitution hack89 May 2014 #170

Hate to say it but their muskets were state of the art at that time Packerowner740 May 2014 #173

The whole point is that arms were needed at that time for survival. Beacool May 2014 #183

I'm all for the Bill of Rights Cartoonist May 2014 #122

What is a 'gun nut'? If that's what you think I am, I certainly am not hiding, closeupready May 2014 #125

Cover Cartoonist May 2014 #132

I think perhaps you've got this backwards. closeupready May 2014 #135

I certainly am not happy with the SQ Cartoonist May 2014 #146

That's fine. That's going to be a struggle you'll have to fight closeupready May 2014 #152

I am not a crusader Cartoonist May 2014 #153

The NRA meanit May 2014 #203

Both the president and the party platform would disagree with you about the BOR hack89 May 2014 #140

I said well regulated Cartoonist May 2014 #147

Armor piercing bullets are illegal hack89 May 2014 #148

I remember different Cartoonist May 2014 #149

then again Cartoonist May 2014 #150

From a more authoritative source - the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence hack89 May 2014 #169

That's what we said. Cartoonist May 2014 #174

How did they legally obtain the APA? hack89 May 2014 #176

pot Cartoonist May 2014 #178

"I'm opposed to armor-piercing bullets for starters." hack89 May 2014 #180

The ATF is a Federal Law Enforcement agency with the power of arrest hack89 May 2014 #181

reasonable cause Cartoonist May 2014 #210

Why the fixation on APA hack89 May 2014 #211

No Problemo Cartoonist May 2014 #212

I understand your frustration hack89 May 2014 #213

The ATF most certainly can arrest people and have done so on numerous occasions. IronGate May 2014 #184

what is an AP round and why are you opposed. SQUEE May 2014 #175

armor piercing Cartoonist May 2014 #179

what do you consider an AP round, vice what ATF considers AP SQUEE May 2014 #185

You need to research better Lurks Often May 2014 #187

I do. RKBA is not the only issue in my universe. Unfortunately, Democrats are falling apart TheKentuckian May 2014 #46

Or re-instating the CDC's research on gun-violence in America denied us by the gun-lobby LanternWaste May 2014 #126

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #194

Hillary: Ban teh Gunz! aikoaiko May 2014 #15

Bangunzi! leeroysphitz May 2014 #73

That's funny. aikoaiko May 2014 #74

I like it! n/t Mugu May 2014 #85

DUzy Flying Squirrel May 2014 #111

Without specifics, this statement is useless. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #19

She's shaking the tree LuvLoogie May 2014 #110

Not quite useless. Orsino May 2014 #119

That presupposes... Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #120

I would never encourage anyone to watch Fox... Orsino May 2014 #123

I don't think we're likely to agree on that point. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #124

The individuals we know aren't really the problem. Orsino May 2014 #130

Like the one in Georgia perhaps? Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #134

Last I looked... Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #144

I think that it's safe for most people to assume Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #155

Oh, oh, I hope Hillary learned to duck. Beacool May 2014 #21

as will the gun nutters with a (D) after their name AKA Reagan Dems PubsFU May 2014 #26

Our own resident DU Gun Enthusiasts are providing plenty of apoplexy. Paladin May 2014 #28

Yup. And Beacool already covered that point: "The Right will be apoplectic" DanTex May 2014 #32

Precisely. Paladin May 2014 #40

Wendy Davis. Liberal. Open-carry advocate. derby378 May 2014 #51

LOL, but you love me when I vote Democratic. aikoaiko May 2014 #69

Yeah, accent on the "WHEN I vote Democratic." Paladin May 2014 #83

I'm probably more likely to vote for Hillary than some of DU's "good progressives" aikoaiko May 2014 #86

I would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat. Just like I voted for President Obama hack89 May 2014 #88

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #195

Yes, I noticed......... Beacool May 2014 #44

Oh, no, you didn't. You realize she's a founding member of 3rd Way? closeupready May 2014 #66

And...she is a little light on specifics. Nice soundbite though. The Straight Story May 2014 #27

The question is how far can she go on this and still win in the general election. Lurks Often May 2014 #30

In some places it may need to be tightened, but not NYC Reter May 2014 #37

I don't think NYC needs more handguns. DanTex May 2014 #39

They are only for the privileged oneofthe99 May 2014 #47

Are they giving away free guns somewhere? BrotherIvan May 2014 #93

Like all the gun shop owners said........... oneofthe99 May 2014 #42

And a lot of gun shops have confederate flags hanging, put up bigoted videos, pander to white wing Hoyt May 2014 #53

Because if you want to win a primary you have to win some southern states oneofthe99 May 2014 #56

Democrats are not as obsessed with gunz as the right/white wing toters, accumulators, and militias. Hoyt May 2014 #58

You write that as if you aren't obsessed with GUNZ yourself. aikoaiko May 2014 #72

Obsessed with retricting those like this, and those that enable them. Hoyt May 2014 #76

If you say so. aikoaiko May 2014 #77

Not just Southern states. Dems almost lost control of CO senate last year. Skip Intro May 2014 #59

Would you vote against her -- or any Dem proposing same -- because of you are into gunz? Hoyt May 2014 #81

Didn't work that way in CO. Skip Intro May 2014 #82

First, it's questionable what gun rights are. Second, majority of those who would vote against a Dem Hoyt May 2014 #84

Will you support Bloomberg if he goes after pro-gun Dems? nt hack89 May 2014 #89

Blomberg is not a Dem. I won't vote for him. Now, you answer same question above. Hoyt May 2014 #90

I would vote for her in a heartbeat hack89 May 2014 #91

Good deal. Hoyt May 2014 #92

I would say nice dodge, but it was actually a sad dodge. Skip Intro May 2014 #95

Yes, although their pandering to gunners who are usually Rwing, callous, bigots, is quite sad. Hoyt May 2014 #98

Left "white" out again. Why the sudden change, Hoyt? n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #100

Somebody sure sounds bigoted, Hoyt. n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #94

Definitely bigoted against gun promoters, accumulators, toters, militias, etc. Hoyt May 2014 #96

Gee, you left "white" out of that post, Hoyt. Oversight? n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #97

Good, you are catching on. Hoyt May 2014 #99

To? That you change your tune when called out out, Hoyt? Skip Intro May 2014 #101

Nope. You obviously realized I am talking about right/white wing bigots Hoyt May 2014 #102

Gee, you don't sound like a bigoted hypocrite at all, Hoyt. Skip Intro May 2014 #105

There's no doubt she will lose on this , big time oneofthe99 May 2014 #104

Yep. But I would like to know where she honestly stands on the issue. Skip Intro May 2014 #106

The NRA was certain that their guns would be getting grabbed the moment he was elected Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #156

Looking back , If Obama could do a do over oneofthe99 May 2014 #158

I'm sure that an AWB was the last thing on anybody's minds at that particular time Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #159

It was way on the back burner , we had the economy in the shitter , a full blown war still oneofthe99 May 2014 #160

What is your basis for your assertions about his desire for an AWB as part of his "legacy"? Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #161

It's a hot button issue for a candidate running as a first term President oneofthe99 May 2014 #163

A lot of those folks are paranoid nitwits. Obama is no genuine threat to their guns. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #196

A lot of those people vote Democrat oneofthe99 May 2014 #201

Millions of gun owners vote Democrat. I know that. But I'm talking specifically about the kind of nomorenomore08 May 2014 #206

Women seem to have a lot more guts than male politicians on this issue. I like it. Hoyt May 2014 #52

Hillary mailer on guns from 2008, attacking Obama. Skip Intro May 2014 #57

Politically Crepuscular May 2014 #61

Puzzles me as well. There is little or nothing to be gained... Eleanors38 May 2014 #107

Push for UBCs and stay away from Diane Feinstein and she should be ok. nt hack89 May 2014 #62

Milk toast statement. BlueJac May 2014 #68

Good for Hillary mwrguy May 2014 #75

I love you for this,Hillary mainstreetonce May 2014 #78

I think having specific policy ideas ZombieHorde May 2014 #103

Good for her...knr joeybee12 May 2014 #109

Good. The majority of Americans want that. fried eggs May 2014 #114

Sigh. I am convinced that this is a big-time LOSING issue for Democrats. Laelth May 2014 #118

You don't think Warren has gone there and will again? wyldwolf May 2014 #129

She has, and she probably will again. Laelth May 2014 #145

I don't think that it's a PRESSING issue per se Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #162

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #127

That's a valid question. It's possible she's decided against running, closeupready May 2014 #136

Que Up Death Threats HRC otohara May 2014 #128

Events in the last several years have more and more Americans choosing sides on this wyldwolf May 2014 #131

Where this gets interesting Proud Public Servant May 2014 #133

She really needs to clarify what SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #154

My, my, my. Look at all the Gun Enthusiasts on this thread, demanding details from Hillary. Paladin May 2014 #172

+1000000 Hoyt May 2014 #177

nice try, SQUEE May 2014 #186

67% of your recent posts are in Gun Control/RKBA. Nice try. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #188

AND I AM STILL A DEMOCRAT, AND STILL GOING TO VOTE THAT WAY, SQUEE May 2014 #189

You and the people you surround yourself with are here on a Democratic talk site...... Paladin May 2014 #190

nice assumption, as if this board is the end all of my political life. SQUEE May 2014 #199

Better be nice to me.....I'm one of the Nice Ones. Paladin May 2014 #204

my side of the issue? odd SQUEE May 2014 #205

Nice try. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #207

Hillary is the ONLY Dem with a real chance to win that would think about saying that. BootinUp May 2014 #164

Saying versus doing. One's pretty easy. The other, not so much. blkmusclmachine May 2014 #167

I voted for her in the 2008 primaries Packerowner740 May 2014 #171