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zeemike

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97. Only what I learned in grade school civics.

Wed May 7, 2014, 10:57 PM

May 2014

But they probably don't teach that any more.
Did congress approve and appropriate money to create the prison at Gitmo?...well yes they did it the Defense authoration...but it was left up to the president as how best to spend the money...and he chose to put a prison there and detain them indefinitely even if they had no charges against them.
They could of and should have been tried by military tribunal and dealt with the guilty and released the inocent...but Bush decided not to , and Obama decided not to embarrass Bush by setting the wrong right...and of course sense Obama is doing it now we have to make excuses for it and the best one is "his hands were tied"

And that is bullshit...his hands were not tied at least according to the constitution...as CIC of the military he could have ordered the DOD to deal with it and close the base and stop the torture...and they would have to obey or become another MacArthur and fade away.
All of this just makes him look weak...and makes us embrace the weak to protect him...And that makes the on the fence voter think less of us.

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President Obama Never Fails To Disappoint [View all] MineralMan May 2014 OP

I am dissapointed in him because he has so far not RSVP'ed your invitation. It's ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #1

Thank you for your support. MineralMan May 2014 #3

This has opened a real can of worms in our family. GOPee May 2014 #117

I'm disappointed that he hasn't replaced all JaneyVee May 2014 #2

And think of all the jobs that would have created, too! MineralMan May 2014 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko May 2014 #57

Well what were you going to make? el_bryanto May 2014 #5

I was torn between rack of New Zealand lamb MineralMan May 2014 #6

har-har jollyreaper2112 May 2014 #7

Yah, well, it was a personal disappointment. MineralMan May 2014 #8

yeah, right jollyreaper2112 May 2014 #14

I believe you may be misunderestimating the seriesness MineralMan May 2014 #17

This ain't time to be... ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #37

. Jamaal510 May 2014 #66

It's high time someone understood Raine1967 May 2014 #47

When I agreed to chair one of the local committees in Obama's 2012 campaign, maddiemom May 2014 #128

GITMO failed in senate 96-4, and JaneyVee May 2014 #15

Now, don't confuse the poster. MineralMan May 2014 #19

Closing Gitmo did not fail in the senate. zeemike May 2014 #45

No snark: what are you talking about? Raine1967 May 2014 #48

How soon we forgit... zeemike May 2014 #54

The article clearly states that this bill was proposed by "Jim Moran". Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #69

Well that is normal procedure for introducing a bill in the house. zeemike May 2014 #74

And that is the CIC how? Raine1967 May 2014 #79

And in your fevered imagination, that means the president instigated it? Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #144

Has he gotten a brain yet? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #80

DUzy! riqster May 2014 #133

But it cannot be closed without funding to transfer the prisoners. NYC Liberal May 2014 #52

The house controls the purse strings not the Senate. zeemike May 2014 #59

Revenue bills originate in the House, but the Senate still has to pass them. NYC Liberal May 2014 #67

Not true... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #83

The congress does not control the military...never has. zeemike May 2014 #86

WOW! You sure know a LOT about the Constitution Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #89

Only what I learned in grade school civics. zeemike May 2014 #97

You might want to take a little more in depth course Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #109

Well you don't need to be a weatherman zeemike May 2014 #113

Yeah....no Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #115

It is not the hammer that drives the nail zeemike May 2014 #116

Oh dear god... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #119

And I could say that you did not learn much from history zeemike May 2014 #122

Holy shit... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #131

Obama had the house and senate in his first two years. zeemike May 2014 #139

I give up.... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #141

So do I. zeemike May 2014 #146

Right--here's my primer for grade school civics... msanthrope May 2014 #110

You don't need money to stop doing something zeemike May 2014 #112

Okay..is it that you do not understand that not only was the money cut off, but specific legislation msanthrope May 2014 #114

Well I would tell you what someone like Truman would have done. zeemike May 2014 #118

You do realize that the Youngstown decision proves you historically inaacurate? nt msanthrope May 2014 #121

You know that old saying about never argue with a fool? Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #134

What does that have to do with this? zeemike May 2014 #140

He did order it closed via EO ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #104

The fact that you're unaware that the President can't unilaterally close Gitmo ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #28

Amen Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #84

K&R Quackers May 2014 #9

Well, I never! MineralMan May 2014 #11

i invited him to sing a duet with me� hopemountain May 2014 #32

DUzy! CaliforniaPeggy May 2014 #34

Bet he didn't even send a card. Bobbie Jo May 2014 #77

Bo and Sunny sunnystarr May 2014 #120

Maybe you should offer more dessert. That always works on me. nt okaawhatever May 2014 #10

Perhaps you're right. MineralMan May 2014 #12

Yes, with a photo. SomeGuyInEagan May 2014 #129

Yeah, but you KNOW he likes pie. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #130

Ha! You just don't know if you don't try/ask. Whisp May 2014 #13

That is true. However, as a long-time MineralMan May 2014 #16

You've converted me sharp_stick May 2014 #18

Between you and me, that'll show him, for sure. MineralMan May 2014 #20

It's an outrage sharp_stick May 2014 #21

"All depends. Whatcha got in the oven?" lpbk2713 May 2014 #22

I used to trivialize and minimize the valid concerns of others too. LanternWaste May 2014 #23

So you're back to it, huh? OilemFirchen May 2014 #39

This was alerted on. 7-0 leave. n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #24

LOL! nt MineralMan May 2014 #63

If it goes 7-0 you should get to know their username AAO May 2014 #68

I am surprised iandhr May 2014 #94

Where you on the jury? iandhr May 2014 #95

LOL. Certainly wasn't me. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #98

Yes, I was n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #101

I saw him in Minneapolis IronLionZion May 2014 #25

Yup, that's about the nature of the 'disappointments' around here, Man. elleng May 2014 #26

Like Cornel West, I am disappointed that I didn't get front row seats to his inaugural Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #27

i am very disappointed that, although he himself did autograph it, mopinko May 2014 #29

Hey DonCoquixote May 2014 #30

I'll certainly keep that in mind. MineralMan May 2014 #75

Yeah, for a brief time, Third-Way Manny became Mirror-Manny. randome May 2014 #85

When does your biography of me go on sale? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #99

I've posted with Third-Way Manny... RufusTFirefly May 2014 #31

Thank Jeebus. nt tridim May 2014 #123

And he didn't get me a pony either! Prophet 451 May 2014 #33

not enough Chuuku Davis May 2014 #35

When he was elected POTUS, did you include or excluse his entourage- No Vested Interest May 2014 #36

I know! Obama didn't sign my basketball! MannyGoldstein May 2014 #38

Thaks, Manny! MineralMan May 2014 #62

Somebody adores you. Rex May 2014 #103

I'm disappointed davidpdx May 2014 #111

That's the way to get people to come around. vi5 May 2014 #40

rsvp kardonb May 2014 #41

Believe me, you don't want him at your dinner table. Martin Eden May 2014 #42

I keep waiting for him to stop by on his way to O'Hare sometime... greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #43

Is he that guy who goes everywhere Michelle goes? struggle4progress May 2014 #44

lol treestar May 2014 #46

You know, Obama likes Pie� Raine1967 May 2014 #49

Did you give him a menu? Historic NY May 2014 #50

Oh aren't you clever! Maven May 2014 #51

You know what they say about imitation... Fearless May 2014 #53

Yeah, Im not going to vote for him either. DCBob May 2014 #55

I am flat our disappointed that he flat out refuses to run again in 2016. sheshe2 May 2014 #56

I'm disappointed because he gave me a painted pony and I wanted a black one with white socks. aikoaiko May 2014 #58

I did't get a pony, either...but I got a horse a little later on. Maybe there's a lesson of maddiemom May 2014 #132

Are you a good cook. Then invite me over instead. n/t totodeinhere May 2014 #60

You should have invited Joe instead. randome May 2014 #61

Joe would totally come. nt Hekate May 2014 #105

Getting him to leave is the hard part. Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #108

Yeah, fuck the bastard. I'm voting Sanders in16 AAO May 2014 #64

You go, AAO! MineralMan May 2014 #65

Choking with laughter - a freaking DUzy malaise May 2014 #70

Damn, that's good! Aldo Leopold May 2014 #71

I'm planning on voting Jamaal510 May 2014 #72

Just think, what would Jesus have done? ananda May 2014 #73

Even Jesus got no respect in his home town. MineralMan May 2014 #76

Still waiting for my Anti-Gravity Boots and Free Government Blow Job Robot thelordofhell May 2014 #78

He turned me into a Newt! Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #81

If he turned you into a Newt... iandhr May 2014 #92

Let's just watch the whole thing, shall we? Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #93

Thank you iandhr May 2014 #96

In ways I'm disappointed and in other ways think May 2014 #82

He is a wise man. rug May 2014 #87

Too funny, thank you uppityperson May 2014 #88

you never really loved him!!111!!1!! dionysus May 2014 #90

I am disappointed�. iandhr May 2014 #91

I saw what you did there, and I'm so disappointed. >sigh< KnR Hekate May 2014 #100

Maybe he declined Union Scribe May 2014 #102

I just wanted a little time with him Jay, Bey, Michelle, and Joe. bravenak May 2014 #106

I thought he'd teach my dog to do tricks. undeterred May 2014 #107

URinvited:Dinner in Minneapolis/June 26/$32,400 per couple/$20,000 4 photo op with Obama Divernan May 2014 #124

Have you invited Elizabeth Warren yet? I bet she doesn't disappoint! berni_mccoy May 2014 #125

I too am disappointed that he has not had a beer with me liberal N proud May 2014 #126

I have invited him to every one of my birthday parties since he was elected. Lint Head May 2014 #127

I share your disappointment. He clearly is not interested in doing anything about rhett o rick May 2014 #135

I'm disappointed in him too... Blanks May 2014 #136

Nice satire. DinahMoeHum May 2014 #137

Partisans and their obsession with personality; ronnie624 May 2014 #138

I know how you feel. onethatcares May 2014 #142

Hmph! I can't believe he didn't come. MineralMan May 2014 #143

nah, something about him onethatcares May 2014 #145