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In reply to the discussion: Obama is well to the left of Bill Clinton. [View all]bvar22
(39,909 posts)40. Call it a wash on "Free Trade"?
Obama's Korean Free Trade Deal devastating for US Workers
Your other categories are superficial.
*"Stimulus" is neither Conservative nor Liberal.
It is HOW the "stimulus" is applied that makes ALL the difference.
Tax Cuts = Conservative Stimulus
Jobs Programs, InfraStructure Spending, Direct Assistance for those in need, and other programs that put MONEY into the hands of the people that will SPEND IT = Liberal Stimulus.
Guess what the majority of Obama's "Stimulus" was.
*Obamacare:
You DO know that a Mandate to Purchase Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations IS a Republican Health Care Plan straight out of the Heritage Foundation?
Yes?
*Dodd-Frank:
a Congressional Initiative signed by President Obama that has proven to be toothless.
Even Barney Frank admits that:
*It will NOT prevent another Melt Down
*It did NOTHING about Too Big to Fail, that is even WORSE now
*Did NOT re-establish the Fire Wall between Investment & Commercial Banks
*Saved the Auto Industry:
and engaged in Union Busting.
One of the prerequisites was that UNION make major concessions in Wages & Benefits,
and allow NEW Auto Plants to be Non-Union Shops.
This was a striking Double Standard compared to the Wall Street Bailout
where "contracts" were sacred, and Bankers "entitled" to their BONUSES.
*Ended the War in Iraq:
President Obama adhered exactly to the Withdrawal Time Table negotiated bu the Bush Administration in 2008.
The Obama Administration DID request an extension to the Withdrawal Date,
and was told "NO" by the Iraqi parliament.
Here. Listen to the man himself tell you about his "Moderate" Policies:
If you want to call something a WASH,
I will agree that trying to decide WHO is more conservative,
Obama or Clinton.....
well THAT is a "wash".
I believe that Bill Clinton's undisputed title of Best Republican President EVER
is in grave jeopardy. It won't be as much fun for the Big Dog to be 2nd Best.
You will know them by their WORKS.
What happened to the 70,000 jobs that the Korea Free Trade deal was supposed to create? They never materialized. Instead, U.S. workers lost 40,000 jobs in the first year of the agreement.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-cohen/koreaus-free-trade-agreem_b_4965492.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-cohen/koreaus-free-trade-agreem_b_4965492.html
Your other categories are superficial.
*"Stimulus" is neither Conservative nor Liberal.
It is HOW the "stimulus" is applied that makes ALL the difference.
Tax Cuts = Conservative Stimulus
Jobs Programs, InfraStructure Spending, Direct Assistance for those in need, and other programs that put MONEY into the hands of the people that will SPEND IT = Liberal Stimulus.
Guess what the majority of Obama's "Stimulus" was.
*Obamacare:
You DO know that a Mandate to Purchase Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations IS a Republican Health Care Plan straight out of the Heritage Foundation?
Yes?
*Dodd-Frank:
a Congressional Initiative signed by President Obama that has proven to be toothless.
Even Barney Frank admits that:
*It will NOT prevent another Melt Down
*It did NOTHING about Too Big to Fail, that is even WORSE now
*Did NOT re-establish the Fire Wall between Investment & Commercial Banks
*Saved the Auto Industry:
and engaged in Union Busting.
One of the prerequisites was that UNION make major concessions in Wages & Benefits,
and allow NEW Auto Plants to be Non-Union Shops.
This was a striking Double Standard compared to the Wall Street Bailout
where "contracts" were sacred, and Bankers "entitled" to their BONUSES.
*Ended the War in Iraq:
President Obama adhered exactly to the Withdrawal Time Table negotiated bu the Bush Administration in 2008.
The Obama Administration DID request an extension to the Withdrawal Date,
and was told "NO" by the Iraqi parliament.
Here. Listen to the man himself tell you about his "Moderate" Policies:
If you want to call something a WASH,
I will agree that trying to decide WHO is more conservative,
Obama or Clinton.....
well THAT is a "wash".
I believe that Bill Clinton's undisputed title of Best Republican President EVER
is in grave jeopardy. It won't be as much fun for the Big Dog to be 2nd Best.
You will know them by their WORKS.
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I think the point is, people around here praise Clinton while they shit on Obama
krawhitham
May 2014
#8
Another point: yes, there was a time when the party being run by Third-Wayers was a big concern.
DanTex
May 2014
#20
"I think the point is, people around here praise Clinton while they shit on Obama"
NCTraveler
May 2014
#74
If you want, call it a wash on "free trade", even though it's much more complicated then that.
DanTex
May 2014
#14
That "revised" political triangle seems to emphasize social issues more than others...
cascadiance
May 2014
#19
it HAS the Republican side on it....and I included Romney and Bush....as proof
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#21
The authoritarian/libertarian thing was a push poll designed to convert people to libertarianism.
DanTex
May 2014
#32
Well, let's see. You can vote for Bush Policies, ie, Bail out the Crooked Banks, Support all of
sabrina 1
May 2014
#26
No, the Third Way was invented a couple of decades ago to infiltrate Right Wing policies
sabrina 1
May 2014
#39
Lol, you wish I was the only one who cared about the Dem Party being infiltrated by
sabrina 1
May 2014
#112
You appear to know nothing at all "about it" or the Third Way right wingers - I'll educate you:
Dragonfli
May 2014
#99
I cant make heads nor tails from those graphs. They show Sen Sanders and H. Clinton on equal
rhett o rick
May 2014
#24
Here's the more useful older graphs that one can really understand how it is being measured more...
cascadiance
May 2014
#28
You cant play nice with others, can you. "You lean libertarian". Grow up. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#49
When someone starts libertarian agitprop, what else is anyone to think?
ConservativeDemocrat
May 2014
#77
I find it interesting that some here where the posters are supposed to be "politically liberal"
rhett o rick
May 2014
#91
Yes and according to "your" graphs, Sen Sanders and H. Clinton-Sachs agree on the economy. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#51
You aren't....you just don't base your entire opinion on just one or two issues
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#60
I agree on the grounds that the repeal of Glass Seagel and NAFTA were so bad that many of us see
jwirr
May 2014
#45
It does not matter who is president , the Fascist Corporate State will run of , by , and for the
geretogo
May 2014
#65
I'm pretty sure that Obama has signed more free-trade agreements than Clinton did.
Nye Bevan
May 2014
#67
The op is so limited on information that it, in itself, does not make a valid arguement.
NCTraveler
May 2014
#90