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In reply to the discussion: Obama is well to the left of Bill Clinton. [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)53. Really? Comparing an obscure deal with South Korea to NAFTA?
*"Stimulus" is neither Conservative nor Liberal.
It is HOW the "stimulus" is applied that makes ALL the difference.
Tax Cuts = Conservative Stimulus
Jobs Programs, InfraStructure Spending, Direct Assistance for those in need, and other programs that put MONEY into the hands of the people that will SPEND IT = Liberal Stimulus.
Guess what the majority of Obama's "Stimulus" was.
It is HOW the "stimulus" is applied that makes ALL the difference.
Tax Cuts = Conservative Stimulus
Jobs Programs, InfraStructure Spending, Direct Assistance for those in need, and other programs that put MONEY into the hands of the people that will SPEND IT = Liberal Stimulus.
Guess what the majority of Obama's "Stimulus" was.
I don't have to guess. The majority of it was spending. And the tax credits were also progressive, primarily targeting lower incomes.
*Obamacare:
You DO know that a Mandate to Purchase Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations IS a Republican Health Care Plan straight out of the Heritage Foundation?
Yes?
You DO know that a Mandate to Purchase Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations IS a Republican Health Care Plan straight out of the Heritage Foundation?
Yes?
I do know that. And I also know that it is the most significant social legislation in many decades, and it is already saving lives and helping millions of Americans.
*Dodd-Frank:
a Congressional Initiative signed by President Obama that has proven to be toothless.
Even Barney Frank admits that:
*It will NOT prevent another Melt Down
*It did NOTHING about Too Big to Fail, that is even WORSE now
*Did NOT re-establish the Fire Wall between Investment & Commercial Banks
a Congressional Initiative signed by President Obama that has proven to be toothless.
Even Barney Frank admits that:
*It will NOT prevent another Melt Down
*It did NOTHING about Too Big to Fail, that is even WORSE now
*Did NOT re-establish the Fire Wall between Investment & Commercial Banks
True, it didn't go far enough. That's what happens when there are Republicans in congress. But "toothless" is just wrong. Among many things:
-The CFPB (proposed by Elizabeth Warren)
-The Volker Rule
-Regulation of derivatives, and requiring central clearing
-Requiring hedge funds to register with the SEC
-and so on
*Saved the Auto Industry:
and engaged in Union Busting.
One of the prerequisites was that UNION make major concessions in Wages & Benefits,
and allow NEW Auto Plants to be Non-Union Shops.
This was a striking Double Standard compared to the Wall Street Bailout
where "contracts" were sacred, and Bankers "entitled" to their BONUSES.
and engaged in Union Busting.
One of the prerequisites was that UNION make major concessions in Wages & Benefits,
and allow NEW Auto Plants to be Non-Union Shops.
This was a striking Double Standard compared to the Wall Street Bailout
where "contracts" were sacred, and Bankers "entitled" to their BONUSES.
Requiring re-negotiations in the face of impending bankruptcy is not "union busting". The point is, the auto industry continues to exist today because of Obama.
*Ended the War in Iraq:
President Obama adhered exactly to the Withdrawal Time Table negotiated bu the Bush Administration in 2008.
The Obama Administration DID request an extension to the Withdrawal Date,
and was told "NO" by the Iraqi parliament.
President Obama adhered exactly to the Withdrawal Time Table negotiated bu the Bush Administration in 2008.
The Obama Administration DID request an extension to the Withdrawal Date,
and was told "NO" by the Iraqi parliament.
Please don't tell me you actually think Bush or any Republican would actually have gotten us out.
You're really stretching to try and find ways to hate Obama...
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I think the point is, people around here praise Clinton while they shit on Obama
krawhitham
May 2014
#8
Another point: yes, there was a time when the party being run by Third-Wayers was a big concern.
DanTex
May 2014
#20
"I think the point is, people around here praise Clinton while they shit on Obama"
NCTraveler
May 2014
#74
If you want, call it a wash on "free trade", even though it's much more complicated then that.
DanTex
May 2014
#14
That "revised" political triangle seems to emphasize social issues more than others...
cascadiance
May 2014
#19
it HAS the Republican side on it....and I included Romney and Bush....as proof
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#21
The authoritarian/libertarian thing was a push poll designed to convert people to libertarianism.
DanTex
May 2014
#32
Well, let's see. You can vote for Bush Policies, ie, Bail out the Crooked Banks, Support all of
sabrina 1
May 2014
#26
No, the Third Way was invented a couple of decades ago to infiltrate Right Wing policies
sabrina 1
May 2014
#39
Lol, you wish I was the only one who cared about the Dem Party being infiltrated by
sabrina 1
May 2014
#112
You appear to know nothing at all "about it" or the Third Way right wingers - I'll educate you:
Dragonfli
May 2014
#99
I cant make heads nor tails from those graphs. They show Sen Sanders and H. Clinton on equal
rhett o rick
May 2014
#24
Here's the more useful older graphs that one can really understand how it is being measured more...
cascadiance
May 2014
#28
You cant play nice with others, can you. "You lean libertarian". Grow up. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#49
When someone starts libertarian agitprop, what else is anyone to think?
ConservativeDemocrat
May 2014
#77
I find it interesting that some here where the posters are supposed to be "politically liberal"
rhett o rick
May 2014
#91
Yes and according to "your" graphs, Sen Sanders and H. Clinton-Sachs agree on the economy. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#51
You aren't....you just don't base your entire opinion on just one or two issues
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#60
I agree on the grounds that the repeal of Glass Seagel and NAFTA were so bad that many of us see
jwirr
May 2014
#45
It does not matter who is president , the Fascist Corporate State will run of , by , and for the
geretogo
May 2014
#65
I'm pretty sure that Obama has signed more free-trade agreements than Clinton did.
Nye Bevan
May 2014
#67
The op is so limited on information that it, in itself, does not make a valid arguement.
NCTraveler
May 2014
#90