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Dawgs

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98. Nope. It's cherry-picking.

Thu May 8, 2014, 04:37 PM

May 2014

- You didn't pick the NSA, drone strikes, and expanded war in Afghanistan. You did pick ending the war in Iraq. That's cherry picking.

- It's possible that Krugman is wrong, no?

- So you do admit that you cherry picked. Thanks.

- But he didn't raise taxes on the wealthy until he was pushed to do it. That's a fact, not speculation.

- Fine, he gets credit for doing something that any other Democrat would have done. Low bar is still a bar, right?

- Apples to Oranges when comparing one president to another.

- Yes, Clinton was no great progressive. Nothing you can say will make me believe Obama isn't just as bad.

Answer these questions. Is Obamacare progressive? Is the NSA program progressive? How about NAFTA/TPP? How about record deportations? How about laughing at progressives that wanted to legalize marijuana? Are those things progressive? What about Summers and Geitner? Progressive? I could go on and on. Is that a lot? Because I'm trying to find "a lot of progressive changes", and the only things on your list that are progressive really aren't. There just things that ANY DEMOCRAT would do.

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Obama is well to the left of Bill Clinton. [View all] DanTex May 2014 OP

I don't see the relevance at this point. djean111 May 2014 #1

+1. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #2

Well, it's at least as relevant as the daily deluge of Obama-bashing OPs. DanTex May 2014 #5

I think you are confusing policy-bashing with Obama-bashing. djean111 May 2014 #7

Call it what you will, it is still equally relevant. DanTex May 2014 #9

I think the point is, people around here praise Clinton while they shit on Obama krawhitham May 2014 #8

Only some people. djean111 May 2014 #12

Another point: yes, there was a time when the party being run by Third-Wayers was a big concern. DanTex May 2014 #20

"I think the point is, people around here praise Clinton while they shit on Obama" NCTraveler May 2014 #74

Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba May 2014 #22

Obama ain't running. Iggo May 2014 #3

He is the president, however: for two and a half more years frazzled May 2014 #6

Does he need a fan club cheering section or something? djean111 May 2014 #10

Stating that he is the current US President is being a "fan"? frazzled May 2014 #47

What's to talk about, except policy? djean111 May 2014 #48

The OP was precisely about policy /nt frazzled May 2014 #52

Where is the TPP on that list? djean111 May 2014 #64

The OP lists only policies that were accomplished frazzled May 2014 #69

No, I'm not like a Republican. Iggo May 2014 #23

Of course Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #4

If you want, call it a wash on "free trade", even though it's much more complicated then that. DanTex May 2014 #14

Call it a wash on "Free Trade"? bvar22 May 2014 #40

Really? Comparing an obscure deal with South Korea to NAFTA? DanTex May 2014 #53

It's not obscure. ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #75

Compared to NAFTA, yes, it is. DanTex May 2014 #86

For what it's worth, I agree that Obama is to the left of Bill Clinton. dawg May 2014 #11

Plus a million. Better than the other guy, that's about it. djean111 May 2014 #13

Picking specific policies is always a pointless excercise Prophet 451 May 2014 #15

That's a fair point, but I don't know a better approach. DanTex May 2014 #17

Extraordinary Rendition and Bill Clinton: Whisp May 2014 #18

They just don't get it VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #16

That "revised" political triangle seems to emphasize social issues more than others... cascadiance May 2014 #19

it HAS the Republican side on it....and I included Romney and Bush....as proof VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #21

I said it doesn't measure AUTHORITARIANISM... cascadiance May 2014 #25

then make your own graph... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #27

The authoritarian/libertarian thing was a push poll designed to convert people to libertarianism. DanTex May 2014 #32

Exactly!!! Dan VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #36

Actually that political graph BlindTiresias May 2014 #82

Well, let's see. You can vote for Bush Policies, ie, Bail out the Crooked Banks, Support all of sabrina 1 May 2014 #26

Third Way as YOU call it is not a traditional construct VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #30

No, the Third Way was invented a couple of decades ago to infiltrate Right Wing policies sabrina 1 May 2014 #39

and who cares about it other than you all? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #42

"you all"? grasswire May 2014 #85

people on this thread who agree with you perhaps? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #101

Why all of "them" that are out to get him/her of course Dragonfli May 2014 #103

No one on this thread agreed with him or her? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #113

Lol, you wish I was the only one who cared about the Dem Party being infiltrated by sabrina 1 May 2014 #112

You appear to know nothing at all "about it" or the Third Way right wingers - I'll educate you: Dragonfli May 2014 #99

How much money did the bank bailout cost the taxpayers? Ikonoklast May 2014 #107

I cant make heads nor tails from those graphs. They show Sen Sanders and H. Clinton on equal rhett o rick May 2014 #24

Here's the more useful older graphs that one can really understand how it is being measured more... cascadiance May 2014 #28

there is NO data there to support those graphs... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #31

Thanks for the link! riqster May 2014 #50

welcome! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #58

On the issues BlindTiresias May 2014 #83

Of course you can't VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #33

You cant play nice with others, can you. "You lean libertarian". Grow up. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #49

When someone starts libertarian agitprop, what else is anyone to think? ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #77

I find it interesting that some here where the posters are supposed to be "politically liberal" rhett o rick May 2014 #91

Rhett, you disparage Democrats constantly.. ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #104

Rhett said "disparage liberals" not "disparage Democrats" Fumesucker May 2014 #108

Read the data... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #34

Perhaps because YOU have it all wrong to begin with... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #43

It makes you wonder why they use the phrase, "the left" as a pejorative. Marr May 2014 #81

Is that another Mr.Fish cartoon? bvar22 May 2014 #54

Well if you don't like them; make your own! cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #71

Oh really? ronnie624 May 2014 #29

How many free trade do we need? Because this administration nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #35

but much to your dismay that hasn't happened yet... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #38

Yes and according to "your" graphs, Sen Sanders and H. Clinton-Sachs agree on the economy. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #51

Obama himself said "Nixon was more liberal". ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #37

Context means everything... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #41

That's what we're discussing........ ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #44

NO....because you don't base the value on just one or two issues... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #46

How am I picking and choosing? I listed his most important accomplishments. DanTex May 2014 #56

You aren't....you just don't base your entire opinion on just one or two issues VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #60

Haha. ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #72

And that he (Obama) is a moderate republican Doctor_J May 2014 #106

I agree on the grounds that the repeal of Glass Seagel and NAFTA were so bad that many of us see jwirr May 2014 #45

I agree Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #55

Who is left of who, blah de blah de blah (good question, not making fun of OP) randys1 May 2014 #57

NO he isn't. Demeter May 2014 #59

they are essentially the same Enrique May 2014 #61

If comparing policies isn't a good way to compare, how would you do it? DanTex May 2014 #62

BS. You could easily make the argument that Clinton is to the left of Obama. Dawgs May 2014 #63

Not a very convincing one... DanTex May 2014 #66

Wrong again! Dawgs May 2014 #78

"They are both equally bad on economic policy and financial regulation" DanTex May 2014 #84

Getting closer. Dawgs May 2014 #94

Umm, what cherry picking? DanTex May 2014 #97

Nope. It's cherry-picking. Dawgs May 2014 #98

It does not matter who is president , the Fascist Corporate State will run of , by , and for the geretogo May 2014 #65

I'm pretty sure that Obama has signed more free-trade agreements than Clinton did. Nye Bevan May 2014 #67

from where i sit they are both conservative DEMS m-lekktor May 2014 #68

I had no clue Obama and Clinton were going head to head. NCTraveler May 2014 #70

Obamacare= Hillary's health plan that Bill helped create Jemon May 2014 #73

Love how the OP uses Obamacare for Obama, but not Hillarycare for Bill. Dawgs May 2014 #79

Like I said above, if we count things that don't pass... DanTex May 2014 #110

And they're both to the right of Nixon (n/t) Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #76

Obama is hardly to the left of Bush. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #80

Most people familiar with Obama, Clinton, history, and the present,..... NCTraveler May 2014 #87

I get that a lot of people think that, but it's not factual. DanTex May 2014 #88

The op is so limited on information that it, in itself, does not make a valid arguement. NCTraveler May 2014 #90

Any list of Obama's legislative achievements has to include Obamacare. DanTex May 2014 #93

Completely unrecommended Enthusiast May 2014 #89

Well, ProSense May 2014 #92

Good post. DanTex May 2014 #111

Obama has proven to be more of a militarist and more anti-Bill-of-Rights. Vattel May 2014 #95

Big deal. I consider them both right of center. hobbit709 May 2014 #96

But Bill Clinton is left of Bill Clinton now.. otherone May 2014 #100

Congress passed most of those things vi5 May 2014 #102

No Doctor_J May 2014 #105

Absolute nonsense AgingAmerican May 2014 #109