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Shoulders of Giants

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4. I'm from Illinois and always felt that Obama would be a strong contender in 2008.

Thu May 8, 2014, 05:56 PM

May 2014

Hillary had some major problems with her campaign such as voting for the Iraq war. I remember everyone saying she was inevitable, but I always felt Obama had as much chance as winning in 2008 as she did. And he ended up winning is an extremely close horserace, despite all the commentators in 2007 saying Hillary without question would win in 2008.

I criticized everyone for saying that in 2008, but now I will be the one to say Hillary is inevitable in 2016. The Iraq War is out of people's minds (It really shouldn't be, it was a terrible war and Hillary Clinton should be accountable for her vote in the 2016 primaries, but probably won't be). However, more important than that, I don't see any strong alternate candidate to Hillary Clinton in 2016 that has the mass appeal that Obama has. I don't think Elizabeth Warren has that kind of charisma. I will probably vote for Elizabeth Warren in 2016, but I think Hillary will win.

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7 Things About the Inevitability of Hillary Clinton You Probably Haven't Thought About [View all] red dog 1 May 2014 OP

(Humor) In the games that I tend to play... Shandris May 2014 #1

... Scuba May 2014 #2

do a parallel poll on who we WANT to be president yurbud May 2014 #3

1st) I don't know how to do a "parallel poll" red dog 1 May 2014 #30

"parallel" just means related not a coding issue or something yurbud May 2014 #44

Hillary's unintended nightmare could be: clearing field of DLCers before primaries yurbud May 2014 #45

I'm from Illinois and always felt that Obama would be a strong contender in 2008. Shoulders of Giants May 2014 #4

I only see one advantage to Hillary getting the nomination and then presidency yurbud May 2014 #5

There is another advantage to any generic Democrat winning in 2016 and 2020 stevenleser May 2014 #8

Impossible if they nominate the kind of people they nominate now, but... Hippo_Tron May 2014 #14

The far right keep claiming that the reason they lose is the person isn't rightwing enough. stevenleser May 2014 #16

it would be nice to have a Democrat who didn't advance the conservative agenda during that time yurbud May 2014 #23

There is only one reason Hillary was not the 2008 nominee. She didn't take the caucus states stevenleser May 2014 #6

I took bets before the first ballot was cast. quaker bill May 2014 #12

Her poll numbers in Iowa were a clue that she was beatable Hippo_Tron May 2014 #13

In other words, she was beaten nyquil_man May 2014 #17

Only partially. Her campaign's strategy was to knock out everyone else early. stevenleser May 2014 #18

Yes, her campaign bought into the same hype everybody else bought into. nyquil_man May 2014 #21

Once again, a boolean proposition that some folks guessed right about and think that means something stevenleser May 2014 #22

My take on Hillary's campaign- it was too old school. Insular. And it concerns me KittyWampus May 2014 #26

She was beaten because her campaign was a mess Hippo_Tron May 2014 #19

She more than likely will be IF she runs. wyldwolf May 2014 #7

Good point! red dog 1 May 2014 #28

Anyone but Hillary! nt Logical May 2014 #9

I'm torn about Hillary for many different reasons justiceischeap May 2014 #10

yep bettyellen May 2014 #11

the money HAS to come from somewhere. Presidential campaigns ain't cheap. wyldwolf May 2014 #15

"I don't know if a serious candidate can be successful these days without corporate sponsorship" red dog 1 May 2014 #32

I voted for her in the 2008 primary for the (positive) reasons you cited. PeaceNikki May 2014 #41

Not sayin that it will be him... fadedrose May 2014 #20

I'd like to see Howard Dean run in 2016 red dog 1 May 2014 #33

Hillary has a likable persona, Blue_In_AK May 2014 #24

"I would welcome someone to her left" too red dog 1 May 2014 #34

Yes. Blue_In_AK May 2014 #43

Hillary has lived in the bubble too long. moondust May 2014 #25

I would vote for Uncle Bernie, red dog 1 May 2014 #29

"When was the last time Hillary met & discussed issues with 'the folks back home' red dog 1 May 2014 #31

I've heard of it. moondust May 2014 #35

Bernie was on Thom Hartmann's show today in the third hour red dog 1 May 2014 #38

I see that you're just one post away from number 9,000 red dog 1 May 2014 #39

You win!! moondust May 2014 #40

You've earned that cup of coffee & donut! red dog 1 May 2014 #42

I don't expect Clinton to run, and I don't know who will run. struggle4progress May 2014 #27

Md Gov Martin O'Malley is running. Clinton will also. n/t FSogol May 2014 #37

Hillary is the only female that is close to having a chance at the White House. Pisces May 2014 #36