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ithinkmyliverhurts

(1,928 posts)
8. For a man, no, of course not.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 10:06 PM
Mar 2012

This is a good post and a good discussion starter as long as we can approach it with good will.

I'm not so sure your question really states where you wish to go with this line of inquiry. You want to know if there is equality amongst the sexes. I will oblige and become your sacrificial lamb

If a 14-17 year-old male (I use 14 because it seems to be the age of advanced puberty, but I'm not stuck on this age) is invited to have sex with an older woman and agrees, then one could argue that there is nothing coercive. This position is blatantly sexist because it admits a biological/psychological difference between men and women. Men, not all!!!!!!!, are predatory and desire via libido to bed women. Women, not all!!!!!!!!, tend to seek relationships and tend to seek out the approval of men. So when a young man has sex with an older woman, he truly gets what he physically desires. It's like eating pizza for him. When a young woman sleeps with an older man (and then is ultimately rejected, which is often the case), she is seeking fulfillment beyond the physical and is therefore psychologically harmed.

So when we see a woman acting as a man, as in this case, we automatically desire to put the male in the position of the female, but this is most often not the case; i.e., we desire to see him as a victim (which may be the case, but most likely is not).

By the way, this is the argument put forward by NAMBLA and many gay advocates for erasing certain sex laws in this country. The argument is that men have different sexual urges than women (SHOCK!!!!!!!!) and so ought to reflected in the laws. Two men engaging in sex, no matter the age difference, ought to be treated differently than heterosexual relations.

O.K., I think I answered your implied questions rather directly. I'm now ready to be flayed.

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I think the real question should be how old the minor is. TheWraith Mar 2012 #1
Hell no!! I don't care if his ass is plated in platinum, IT'S WRONG...PERIOD! Ecumenist Mar 2012 #2
Somrtimes I think DU ought to enforce a waiting period before allowing new members to start posts. peacebird Mar 2012 #3
Unless they are under 18. jberryhill Mar 2012 #6
Depending on their level of attractiveness. New DU jury function. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #15
It's against the law for a reason... cynatnite Mar 2012 #4
I'm sure you're fairly attractive, but I wouldn't advise you NoGOPZone Mar 2012 #5
No. It's not acceptable for a man nor a woman to do so. Cleita Mar 2012 #7
For a man, no, of course not. ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 #8
that isnt true. it is what we continue to say, conditioning, even though it is not a reality seabeyond Mar 2012 #21
Good, thoughtful comments. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #25
Thanks for your response, seabeyond. ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 #45
see, i am just not buying it. seabeyond Mar 2012 #47
I'm not intentionally trying to make you bang your head :-) Thought experiment: ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 #48
lol seabeyond Mar 2012 #50
O.K., so let's go the social conditioning route. ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 #52
firstly, we are talking about the mental maturity of a 14 yr old vs a 20 yr old adult. seabeyond Mar 2012 #53
That is just not true treestar Mar 2012 #55
the reality is, these men just getting laid, are getting laid with women who are just getting laid seabeyond Mar 2012 #57
True. I just really resent this idea that every teen male is ready for such things treestar Mar 2012 #63
If the age difference is under 3 years, then yes. E-Z-B Mar 2012 #9
I agree...and don't a good number of State-level Age of Consent Laws reflect exactly this reality? Volaris Mar 2012 #20
Regardless of looks, I think any man should be able to sleep with a miner Bucky Mar 2012 #10
I guess that's what the _Underground_ part of DU is for. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2012 #18
LOL!!! guardian Mar 2012 #26
I don't think it's the same. DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #11
Isn't that the definition of a double standard? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #14
Yes. DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #16
At that point you are entertaining the possibility that teenage boys are psychologically stronger Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #24
You don't think that males have a more lackadaisical attitude toward sexual liaisons? Bucky Mar 2012 #46
You don't think that sometimes an adult woman will choose a boy is more emotionaly dependent rather Nikia Mar 2012 #54
It then begs the question... LanternWaste Mar 2012 #22
I'm not talking about the ethics or the morality of it. DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #27
What then is the precise and relevant difference between LanternWaste Mar 2012 #31
Have you had sexual intercourse, or at least seen it done? DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #32
You can be more specific, yes? LanternWaste Mar 2012 #33
I think people perceive a difference... jberryhill Mar 2012 #44
There are only two possible justifications for this view. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #61
You didn't read what I said DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #62
You have to admit, having sex with a minor mindwalker_i Mar 2012 #12
As a middle aged adult guitar man Mar 2012 #13
You just changed my mind! jberryhill Mar 2012 #17
they can wait until the guys turn 18 JI7 Mar 2012 #19
No... the risk is too great jberryhill Mar 2012 #23
You volunteering for the job??? msanthrope Mar 2012 #42
If I have to, I will shoulder that burden jberryhill Mar 2012 #43
It is never right to have sex with a minor. Rex Mar 2012 #28
Not according to some. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #29
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Rex Mar 2012 #30
having been a 13 year old boy hfojvt Mar 2012 #34
Having a libido and having the ability to process psychologically are two very different things. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #35
What do you think? Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #36
I'm fairly sure I answered several time in the thread. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #37
I'm fairly certain you haven't, that's why I asked. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #39
I thought my OP was dripping with enough sarcasm. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #58
Looking over the thread, I don't see you siding one way or the other. Rex Mar 2012 #40
I thought my OP was dripping with enough sarcasm. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #59
Not really. You give one line with nt at the end. morningfog Mar 2012 #49
I thought my OP was dripping with enough sarcasm. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #60
Yes. n/t ieoeja Mar 2012 #38
Sadly, age is not always an indicator of maturity. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #41
It all depends on the age of consent in the state in question. It varies and is always arbitrary. morningfog Mar 2012 #51
Not this shit again. Iggo Mar 2012 #56
Since when does it have anything to do with the appearance LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #64
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