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Eleanors38

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95. The push-button quality of argument, wherein an expression or mere word has

Fri May 9, 2014, 01:59 AM

May 2014

A pre-packaged response, reminds me of that prison joke:

Young punk is sent to the big house for the first time, and strut as he might, is scared shitless. His cellmate doesn't talk to him. Night falls. Suddenly, a prisoner shouts "28!" Laughter breaks out. Another: "40!" More laughter. A third: "14!" The cell block roars.

The kid is confused, and finally asks the lifer cellmate, "why is everyone laughing at those numbers?" The lifer answers, "well, kid we've told the same jokes so often, we gave 'em numbers, saves time."

The kid relaxes and listens for a while, then finally blurts out: "22!"

Silence, then fretful murmuring.

The punk's fears return. He turns toward his cellmate: "Did I tell the wrong joke?" The cellmate answers: "No, kid, you told it all wrong."

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Okay, DU. "It has been kind of hot in here around the topic of race/privilege ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 OP

No they have just mostly annoyed me. Egnever May 2014 #1

African Americans are the most reliable voting block for the Democratic Party BainsBane May 2014 #2

Are you saying having so many African Americans voting for democrats is a problem? Egnever May 2014 #3

I've never seen someone try so very hard to deliberately misconstrue a point. Scootaloo May 2014 #7

The point being what? Egnever May 2014 #8

That issues of race are damn important to Democrats Scootaloo May 2014 #13

Absolutely not BainsBane May 2014 #9

Hence being democrats... Egnever May 2014 #25

Unless One Were RobinA May 2014 #112

If you don't consider race in the death penalty BainsBane May 2014 #118

It's projection. They consider all this mere sophistry, just a rhetorical game, so they assume nomorenomore08 May 2014 #205

Sophistry... RobinA May 2014 #219

I'm Against RobinA May 2014 #214

but it IS a race issue as well noiretextatique May 2014 #228

Would you also have been against lyincings BainsBane May 2014 #230

"I do not consider the death penalty to be a racial issue." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #204

That Fact RobinA May 2014 #215

Well, it's certainly far from the *only* reason I oppose capital punishment. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #216

No- issues AAs have should be important to Democrats- why would you think otherwise? bettyellen May 2014 #10

Why would you? Egnever May 2014 #21

I don't see evidence "it is a given" here. And THAT annoys me. bettyellen May 2014 #27

That is because you are trying not to. Egnever May 2014 #36

You do realize there can be a gap between what people openly profess, and where their actual nomorenomore08 May 2014 #206

So discussing issues of importance to PoC and women ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #30

Isn't that fucking special. bettyellen May 2014 #43

It doesn't have to be Egnever May 2014 #47

Yes, Sir. bravenak May 2014 #55

That tab must be missing from my book ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #58

I wish NSA spying and medical marjuana are all that needed to be fixed.... bettyellen May 2014 #70

But when you say that people get upset. bravenak May 2014 #77

Sure doesn't give us a lot to talk about, does it bravenak. sheshe2 May 2014 #116

I agree with you. The constant bashing is wearying. bravenak May 2014 #119

NoT in my nature either bravenak! sheshe2 May 2014 #191

But criticism, i.e., pointing out disagreement with his policies ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #128

Dang it I forgot! sheshe2 May 2014 #190

Can't we just have a nice thread about gefilte fish again? nt msanthrope May 2014 #139

Oooooh! sheshe2 May 2014 #194

Ooooh! bravenak May 2014 #199

Oh snap! bettyellen May 2014 #218

Apparently. redqueen May 2014 #122

I heard one... Jamaal510 May 2014 #141

wow you heard one Egnever May 2014 #142

It is revealing that they don't just pass the threads by. redqueen May 2014 #147

I doubt the issues bother one person one this board Egnever May 2014 #143

There is no "constant search for reasons to attack people" - that is in your head. redqueen May 2014 #146

Says the person who thinks everyone is shouting them down.. Egnever May 2014 #168

Why are you lying? redqueen May 2014 #169

The post is linked for all to see Egnever May 2014 #181

It has been said time and time again, that it isn't about them, redqueen. sheshe2 May 2014 #197

The majority care about Wall Street excesses BainsBane May 2014 #31

NoI get pissed off when people use this board to try to divide democrats. Egnever May 2014 #41

The divide already exists BainsBane May 2014 #69

All tied up in a nice, neat bow! Thanks. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #108

Wow gollygee May 2014 #109

It's Not RobinA May 2014 #114

Wonderful post. myrna minx May 2014 #126

THIS. nt redqueen May 2014 #148

Amen and Amen uponit7771 May 2014 #161

Wow. This is the SECOND post of yours today that knocked it out o the park. Number23 May 2014 #195

Thanks BainsBane May 2014 #196

Brava! sheshe2 May 2014 #207

it is a demonstration of entitlement noiretextatique May 2014 #229

I think people are letting you know the divide already does exist. bettyellen May 2014 #75

Read that again, would you? tavalon May 2014 #99

Dude, you just won the obtuse olympics. Take a bow. Squinch May 2014 #192

I Think the Point Was RobinA May 2014 #110

I shake my head as well BainsBane May 2014 #123

Yeah, me too. Sick and tired of all the crap & the nit-picking, etc. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #12

But did you see the chart? bravenak May 2014 #16

Yes, I did. I'm afraid he's a bit off the mark, however. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #20

Thats what fox news thought too. bravenak May 2014 #23

What does this have to do with FOX or Karl Rove, though? nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #24

They felt the same way you do about Nate Silvers numbers. bravenak May 2014 #28

Oh I'm sure your vast research and experience gollygee May 2014 #102

don't you get all "high and mighty" on us B, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #29

Using charts and stuff. bravenak May 2014 #32

Only the uppity Ivory tower liberals use charts and big words, just stop it!! bettyellen May 2014 #45

But i'm a discontent idealist!!! bravenak May 2014 #48

I am a radiclized woman who won't smile and nod when dudes explain what my "concerns" should be! bettyellen May 2014 #57

yea no race baiting going on here Egnever May 2014 #49

I'm just being "high and mighty" is all. And UNAPOLOGETICLLY SO. Get used to it. bettyellen May 2014 #53

OK! Egnever May 2014 #54

Do you also tire of the threads that bash this President 24/7. sheshe2 May 2014 #221

Yes, I did. Believe me, I got tired of the Obama bashing too. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #225

I feel like i have no choice. bravenak May 2014 #4

That was interesting BainsBane May 2014 #11

I found that i was more surprised that i wasn't surprised. bravenak May 2014 #14

Then there were the folks pretending BainsBane May 2014 #18

Pathetic as hell. bravenak May 2014 #26

They might as well have held up a placard saying BainsBane May 2014 #34

Too funny!! bravenak May 2014 #42

I see the over all trend for both groups going dowm. Eleanors38 May 2014 #33

For some, it is past time for a third way Supersedeas May 2014 #133

At least a better way.:) bravenak May 2014 #201

anyone who says these topics will turn them conservative i.e. the daily "You lost an ally" ..... bettyellen May 2014 #5

One person said that about feminists BainsBane May 2014 #15

And at least one DUer ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #37

LOL, he must have thought that was clever. Probably a middle school kid who believes in bettyellen May 2014 #38

All in all? RobertEarl May 2014 #6

Some thoughts: The Straight Story May 2014 #17

Wow well said Egnever May 2014 #52

I've found the same thing DFW May 2014 #150

I can't imagine a situation in which Repubs would piss me off less than Dems. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #19

people latch on the libertarianism because they are immature, selfish and too lazy to read ...... bettyellen May 2014 #35

Yep. nt cyberswede May 2014 #39

The people I know who claim the Libertarian label Maedhros May 2014 #67

exactly, they like easy answers because they are unwilling to think things through. bettyellen May 2014 #73

+1 Jamaal510 May 2014 #87

+2 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #210

To be fair, there are actual conscientious Libertarians out there. Maedhros May 2014 #212

True. Some are evil bastards, others are just misguided and/or naive. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #213

It is therefore a point of pride that they don't vote D? nt lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #117

The ones I have met don't regularly vote, and yeah they are proud of it..... go figure. bettyellen May 2014 #134

not talking about them, I'm asking if it's a point of pride to us that they vote for someone else. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #135

Absolutely not, but I do think they are the more unreachable segment of the youth vote we should be bettyellen May 2014 #137

I trash most of 'em quinnox May 2014 #22

Yeah, I pass most of them up. Too many accusations. nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #40

lol, you got that right. quinnox May 2014 #46

Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #65

I'm all for their trashing the threads BainsBane May 2014 #72

Actually, I haven't posted in a "NSA" thread for months quinnox May 2014 #88

Okay; but I'd like to note ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #105

The push-button quality of argument, wherein an expression or mere word has Eleanors38 May 2014 #95

From the tone of certain posters? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #44

we get warned all the time those white dudes who vote republican are going to be our fault, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #50

Can you point to one of those posts? Egnever May 2014 #59

Sorry, I don't save links to idiotic crap. I have also seen many others here call out these posters. bettyellen May 2014 #62

But you expect others to? Egnever May 2014 #79

a lot of posters here actually do save links, I have noticed that. bettyellen May 2014 #80

In response to "Why the Men's Rights Movement is Crap" cyberswede May 2014 #173

Awesome Egnever May 2014 #179

It says the Men's Rights Movement is garbage, not "all men's issues" are garbage. cyberswede May 2014 #184

you can say all whatever you want is garbage Egnever May 2014 #185

The Men's Right's Movement and "all mens issues" are synonymous to you? cyberswede May 2014 #186

+10000000000000000000000000000000 BainsBane May 2014 #90

Telling white people that they should vote Democratic because of their privilege Nye Bevan May 2014 #51

Link? Or did you just misread everything ever stated about privilege here? bettyellen May 2014 #60

. Egnever May 2014 #61

Lol. n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #81

I don't get it... cyberswede May 2014 #124

Phew ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #131

Pretty simple really Egnever May 2014 #162

I'd be interested in a link... cyberswede May 2014 #167

Well I guess you see what you want to see Egnever May 2014 #175

found another one cyberswede May 2014 #183

yet another "misunderstanding" on your part? LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #144

no missunderstanding just pointingnout the hypocrisy Egnever May 2014 #154

I think Nye and you are confused in thinking that anyone suggested using privilege in a campaign bettyellen May 2014 #170

You see what you chose to see Egnever May 2014 #180

Im one of those people who have zero tolerance..... bettyellen May 2014 #182

a nominee who at least acknowledges the reality of the lily privlege would be refreshing Supersedeas May 2014 #189

Sometimes DU feels like a time machine to the past ismnotwasm May 2014 #56

I for one "check my privilege" three times a day, every day. Nye Bevan May 2014 #63

Yeah? Well I check mine five times a day. name not needed May 2014 #71

Are you making fun of me? ismnotwasm May 2014 #93

Checking one's privilege is a sign of awareness and maturity. [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #68

It does! To a NYer, it seems very backwards and stubborn. I have some ignorant aquaintances that bettyellen May 2014 #74

Yup ismnotwasm May 2014 #94

I Used To RobinA May 2014 #217

Until the party platform reflects the level of divisiveness pipoman May 2014 #64

is there someone on here not planning on voting democratic? 2pooped2pop May 2014 #66

Yes, in fact BainsBane May 2014 #91

Thankfully DU isn't an accurate representation of the Democratic Party. name not needed May 2014 #76

Much honesty - Skip Intro May 2014 #78

another post claiming POC could not possible have "real issues" that matter. Wow. Us women hear bettyellen May 2014 #82

Except I didn't claim that. Try again? n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #86

Sorry, but... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #85

I didn't say anything about "any discussions of..." Thought we were being honest. Skip Intro May 2014 #89

Sure you did Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #96

You are part of the problem. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #145

I'd say it's the people who refuse to understand privilege, racism, and try to shout down redqueen May 2014 #149

Disagreement is not shouting down Egnever May 2014 #156

Apparently you haven't noticed what happens when certain feminist issues are discussed. redqueen May 2014 #159

My whole interaction in this thread is me noticing Egnever May 2014 #164

Of course you would. Really, I think people here understand these issues. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #157

Typical of you to try to make this personal. It isn't. nt redqueen May 2014 #160

obviously clueless middle class white people Supersedeas May 2014 #166

Please describe what an "Honest discussion" of/on Race would look like. TYIA. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #107

I'd like to see that as well. nt M0rpheus May 2014 #165

...^ that 840high May 2014 #153

There's a lot of threads I don't even bother to read any more let alone comment on Fumesucker May 2014 #83

Ring-a-ding. nt Eleanors38 May 2014 #97

Same here deutsey May 2014 #106

Yep. Like walking in a mine field. Throd May 2014 #129

Considering the fact that Jamaal510 May 2014 #84

Indifferent. Blue_In_AK May 2014 #92

Me, no change. Other DUers, probably not. Visitors, Eleanors38 May 2014 #98

"No" XRubicon May 2014 #100

I'll answer! JustAnotherGen May 2014 #101

Honestly ChaoticSilly May 2014 #103

I haven't read them, so they won't affect my votes in the least. LWolf May 2014 #104

I will always vote, probably Democratic. I'm not going to threaten not to vote, just because some Sunlei May 2014 #111

DU does not really impact my avebury May 2014 #113

Why would a petty squabble on a political blog have any influence on voting patterns? brooklynite May 2014 #115

Only an empathetic observer might be swayed. Orsino May 2014 #120

Interesting. Rex May 2014 #121

None whatsoever.nt rrneck May 2014 #125

Great question randys1 May 2014 #127

Swayed by a few angry posters with time to burn? I sure hope not. Throd May 2014 #130

PS - this thread deserves the gift of a gif happy friday JustAnotherGen May 2014 #132

+1 Jamaal510 May 2014 #140

What? Friday Gif party? M0rpheus May 2014 #158

It's not unusual to be loved by anyone . . . JustAnotherGen May 2014 #171

Come to the dark side... We have better dance parties. M0rpheus May 2014 #172

I cannot JustAnotherGen May 2014 #174

Alright... I am the winnar! M0rpheus May 2014 #177

You are JustAnotherGen May 2014 #178

Why would threads on race cause anyone here to decide not to pull the D lever? DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #136

I recall reading a couple posts after 2012 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #187

And those couple of posts could have been from some numbnut... WorseBeforeBetter May 2014 #231

Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #232

I think someone who claims to be swayed into not voting by what they read on DU herding cats May 2014 #138

I recognize violations to the Rights guaranteed in the Constitution. KansDem May 2014 #151

No, your privilege just means that civil rights violations are your first thought when the issue redqueen May 2014 #163

Sorry to disagree... KansDem May 2014 #176

Two quick points ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #188

No - just annoying. 840high May 2014 #152

I vote D not based on the color of my skin but the values of the candidates. dilby May 2014 #155

As you know and I know and anyone being honest with themselves and others etherealtruth May 2014 #193

Another home run, 1SBM. I love the posts from people that have done nothing but antagonize Number23 May 2014 #198

I'm making love to your post. bravenak May 2014 #200

Well, you have been kicking ass as usual. I am just so in awe of how beautifully you write Number23 May 2014 #202

I know. bravenak May 2014 #203

... Jamaal510 May 2014 #223

We will not sit down...We will not shut up! sheshe2 May 2014 #211

You GO, sheshe!!! Number23 May 2014 #220

:-) sheshe2 May 2014 #224

If I could piggyback... Jamaal510 May 2014 #222

Yep. You are absolutely right. And "waiting for them to die off" doesn't do anything but help their Number23 May 2014 #227

Made me realize again Mark Twain was correct! whistler162 May 2014 #208

About what? eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #209

I vote for Democrats every damn time. Here's why... sheshe2 May 2014 #226

Nothing anyone one can ever say can get me to not vote. Autumn May 2014 #233