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39. Greenwald aside

Fri May 9, 2014, 11:40 AM

May 2014

The original post makes an excellent point. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves! Democracy in this country has been replaced with oligarchy. And, like it or not, WE THE PEOPLE are as responsible for that as anyone else. Because not enough of us exercise our right to vote! Plenty of people are happy to exercise their right to bitch but keep electing the same assholes to office (or don't vote at all). One of the biggest problems - stats show the far right is most likely to vote in midterms. Too many people think only the presidential elections matter. Who's in congress is just as important, that fact NEEDS to be impressed on more people. If those in office were more concerned with their own constituents voting them out of office they'd be more inclined to work for the people - which was the intention of those who created our government. The rich and super rich ARE actively working to influence and control our elected officials while half the population can't even be bothered to go to the polls. From their point of view - why shouldn't they work for them?

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The REAL ASSHOLES are the traitors who lied America into war and still walk free. [View all] Octafish May 2014 OP

Didn't Greenwald support the Iraq War? baldguy May 2014 #1

Didn't Greenwald call for prosecuting Bush and Cheney? Octafish May 2014 #5

Again, only after he figured out who was signing his paycheck. baldguy May 2014 #11

Just curious - are you referring to Greenwald or Obama? Scuba May 2014 #22

Are you flirting with Teabaggerism by insinuationg *Obama* is an asshole? baldguy May 2014 #98

pathetic (nt) malokvale77 May 2014 #106

Greenwald sycophants certainly are. baldguy May 2014 #108

The Daily Banter as a sorce? Really and pfft. pam4water May 2014 #120

There are a few H2O Man May 2014 #148

As did H. Clinton-Sachs. Which was more significant? nm rhett o rick May 2014 #16

Huh? What Europeans were signing his paycheck in 2006? Luminous Animal May 2014 #32

Didn't Greenwald support the Iraq War? bvar22 May 2014 #59

Unlike Hillary Clinton and John Kerry... JackRiddler May 2014 #69

How do you feel about LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin speech? cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #70

Didn't Hillary support the Iraq War? Kudos to Greewald for uncovering the lies based on sabrina 1 May 2014 #112

Amen!!! 2naSalit May 2014 #2

Repeat Offenders: Why the Big Money goes into the Big Lie Octafish May 2014 #7

^^^this^^^ L0oniX May 2014 #18

Needs to be an OP. Thanks Octafish. Scuba May 2014 #24

Indeed 2naSalit May 2014 #58

Pluuuuuus one! Enthusiast May 2014 #74

US Chamber of Commerce is a confederation of assholes. JEB May 2014 #87

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #95

quite a few out there reddread May 2014 #3

''Behold our tough, intrepid, adversarial press corps.'' Octafish May 2014 #9

Greenwald's tweet was also an asshole move. NuclearDem May 2014 #4

Speaking of resources for imperialists and capitalists: Penny Pritzker Octafish May 2014 #13

Yes...."Pennies from Heaven"..indeed. KoKo May 2014 #15

+1 L0oniX May 2014 #17

I know enough to reflexively recoil at anything associated with Wall Street. NuclearDem May 2014 #21

I didn't. Thanks again, Octafish. Scuba May 2014 #26

Oh you are just trying to confuse the issue. "Hate Greenwald, hate Greenwald." rhett o rick May 2014 #28

+1! Enthusiast May 2014 #75

Wow. No, I did not know this. Jackpine Radical May 2014 #103

Maybe taking his tweet out of context, misinterpreting it, and using it as a tool for hate and rhett o rick May 2014 #19

No, Greenwald certainly isn't a problem. NuclearDem May 2014 #25

It wasnt an asshole move if you understand what he was saying. But hatred can cloud judgement. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #31

Exactly! bvar22 May 2014 #60

I think there is a fear of becoming irrelevant. They are like Neville Chamberlain. rhett o rick May 2014 #62

Yes...like Neville Chamberlain...Ostrich with Head in Sand.. KoKo May 2014 #96

"I agree 100% with Greenwald's Tweet." Me too. Enthusiast May 2014 #79

i think Greenwald is not a problem but a solution zeemike May 2014 #33

The problem is that there are those that refuse to support anyone that speaks out to rhett o rick May 2014 #37

And that is well known to psychiatry. zeemike May 2014 #40

They are very good at infiltration. Octafish May 2014 #48

Thanks for the link...that is one I missed. zeemike May 2014 #51

Are you familiar with the book, "The Authoritarians" by Bob Altemeyer? rhett o rick May 2014 #53

No I am not...and thanks for the link zeemike May 2014 #55

I think you are referring to "They Thought They Were Free" by Milton Mayer. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #63

No actually I was thinking of this zeemike May 2014 #73

I am interested. I see Amazon* sells used copies. Current working my way thru Michael Ruppert's, rhett o rick May 2014 #84

It's like the authors were reading DU : GD bobduca May 2014 #133

In the most part IMO it's how children are raised in good ole USofA. rhett o rick May 2014 #136

+1! Enthusiast May 2014 #77

What was the tweet, I haven't kept up on this newthinking May 2014 #46

The guy made the mistake of stating an opinion about the idiocy of war. Octafish May 2014 #66

Indeed, and those assholes appear to be above the law Dragonfli May 2014 #6

Thank you for spelling it out so well, Dragonfli: The government has become most un-democratic. Octafish May 2014 #41

I remember when this site used to oppose war for money. I also had the pleasure Dragonfli May 2014 #83

"I no longer consider this a progressive site, as most of the newbies are anything but" carolinayellowdog May 2014 #126

By design bobduca May 2014 #134

Yeah. nilesobek May 2014 #116

USA,USA father founding May 2014 #8

United States of Aspens Octafish May 2014 #38

Was that a special code? Rosa Luxemburg May 2014 #123

The players were connected in a way not apparent to observers on the ground. Octafish May 2014 #145

Something to do with National security conference in Aspen? Rosa Luxemburg May 2014 #164

If you say so HangOnKids May 2014 #44

Since you mentioned it malokvale77 May 2014 #109

Well said my friend Ichingcarpenter May 2014 #10

The best slave doesn't know he is one. Octafish May 2014 #57

I remember that book! Read it shortly after it came out. RufusTFirefly May 2014 #104

You mad bro? MohRokTah May 2014 #12

You better believe it, Dude. Octafish May 2014 #14

LOL!!!!! HangOnKids May 2014 #45

You noticed that too? Puglover May 2014 #135

Pretzels are a great energy food. QC May 2014 #149

Our oligarch overlords would love us to fight about Greenwald instead of addressing the bigger rhett o rick May 2014 #20

This entire thread is about Glenn Greenwald. MohRokTah May 2014 #27

That's exactly my point. Why spend so much time hating Greenwald? nm rhett o rick May 2014 #29

BEcause an asshole gets a lot of thread space here? MohRokTah May 2014 #30

The point of the OP is that in the scope of things, if he is an asshole, he is way down rhett o rick May 2014 #34

I didn't get that from the OP. MohRokTah May 2014 #35

Ah yes of course. It's so very important to keep the spotlight on him and away from other issues rhett o rick May 2014 #54

No No we have to focus on Bengazi stupid.. that's what the Repugs want the focus on, right? YOHABLO May 2014 #99

Good point. The Repugs want us to focus on Bengazi while the Blue Dogs want us to focus rhett o rick May 2014 #137

LOL LiberalLovinLug May 2014 #71

Yeah, I noticed you have a tendency to see things that aren't there and put Dragonfli May 2014 #88

Really. Let's try an exercise. Pholus May 2014 #102

A lack of answer is also illuminating. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #138

Indeed. Sometimes it is better to remain silent, Pholus May 2014 #151

I think you don't know the poster of the OP (nt) malokvale77 May 2014 #113

Are you the Owner of this Site..? What gives YOU the right to decide what gets posted KoKo May 2014 #97

"BEcause an asshole gets a lot of thread space here?" malokvale77 May 2014 #118

If lies were not being told about Greenwald there would still be Greenwald threads on Democratic sabrina 1 May 2014 #114

I dont think the Greenwald haters recognize that they are not liberals. Just sayin. rhett o rick May 2014 #152

Could be. Maybe there needs to be a declaration from the Dem Party as to who actually sabrina 1 May 2014 #153

Ding ding ding Jesus Malverde May 2014 #23

It's weird to see DUers cutting down the cornerstone of Democracy - the Free Press. Octafish May 2014 #61

"It's weird to see DUers cutting down the cornerstone of Democracy - the Free Press." malokvale77 May 2014 #115

I was told the other day on DU that I have been misinterpreting the 4th Amendment, and I presume sabrina 1 May 2014 #154

All this energy on messengers and each other. randys1 May 2014 #36

Greenwald: 4 points about the 1971 FBI break-in Octafish May 2014 #49

Greenwald aside smallcat88 May 2014 #39

Edward Snowden and the Real Issues Octafish May 2014 #68

Thanks for the link smallcat88 May 2014 #93

And they are still looking for more wars malaise May 2014 #42

^^^ THIS! ^^^ SomeGuyInEagan May 2014 #56

Lunch with the Chairman Octafish May 2014 #80

I wish that those c/o Greenwald were as upset at what he and Snowden exposed. Dustlawyer May 2014 #43

It could lead one to believe that they actually approve of those, which is why they focus on GG & ES Electric Monk May 2014 #67

More cats vs. Know your BFEE Octafish May 2014 #82

Thank you, that is the kinds of stuff I am talking about! Dustlawyer May 2014 #147

K&R n/t whatchamacallit May 2014 #47

WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War Octafish May 2014 #140

Greenwald isn't part of the club...he reports on it. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #50

Like Carter, who apparently isn't welcome in the club neither... Pholus May 2014 #101

I'll take Carter anyday malokvale77 May 2014 #117

Believe It Or Not Jimmy Carter Is The Most Threatened Ex-President in US History Octafish May 2014 #156

I did not know this malokvale77 May 2014 #166

Quite a club it is... Octafish May 2014 #141

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2014 #52

Vietnam and Iraq Wars Started by Same People Octafish May 2014 #142

K & R Liberal_Dog May 2014 #64

What kind of a person would want a war? Octafish May 2014 #143

Kick to find later so I can figure out WTF happened hootinholler May 2014 #65

More smear job. Octafish May 2014 #146

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2014 #72

I posted a reply here over an hour ago but it never showed up. lpbk2713 May 2014 #76

I had a missing post too. Enthusiast May 2014 #78

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #81

Fuck 'em all! AAO May 2014 #85

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #86

Speaking of corporate mcpravda Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #89

Television, the Drug of a Nation, Breeding Ignorance and Feeding Radiation. Octafish May 2014 #162

Shining lights on sphincters Fairgo May 2014 #90

Nonsense. Perception is reality. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #91

K&R. marmar May 2014 #111

It's time to open it all up again. grasswire May 2014 #92

But the Reporters are just so EASY to Discount and not the Policy Makers KoKo May 2014 #94

Always happy to K&R an Octafish thread n/t Oilwellian May 2014 #100

Me too. Cleita May 2014 #105

Don't be discouraged. Puglover May 2014 #144

second that. nt navarth May 2014 #107

K&R...For the Assholes Armstead May 2014 #110

kick scarletwoman May 2014 #119

Kick again - for the REAL assholes. scarletwoman May 2014 #121

Yes ... slipslidingaway May 2014 #122

The bill to bail out the banks was passed by a Democratic majority after Obama ... slipslidingaway May 2014 #124

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #125

Excellent post! Enthusiast May 2014 #127

Is ASSHOLE some euphemism for CRIMINAL? Just asking. The language seems a bit soft to me. ancianita May 2014 #128

Well, given that we decided not to prosecute any of the OP "Assholes" Pholus May 2014 #129

I think Blankfein said that you can't prosecute stupidity, in so many words. Proving intent is THE ancianita May 2014 #130

Huh. I was raised on "Ignorance is no defense" and for the "unwashed masses" that is true... Pholus May 2014 #132

Several DUers routinely apply it to journalists and whistleblowers, rather than to criminals. Octafish May 2014 #155

Amazing that we need this review of real criminal history, but we do, Octafish... MrMickeysMom May 2014 #161

Thank you! DU lesson learned. ancianita May 2014 #163

Couldn't agree more� Loved this response tweet to asshole Wonkette... MrMickeysMom May 2014 #131

K & R GoneFishin May 2014 #139

kick XRubicon May 2014 #150

the REAL ASSHOLES are the torturers. those who put torture into american's mainstream spanone May 2014 #157

American Torturers are REAL ASSHOLES. Octafish May 2014 #160

Great thread. Big Kick!! (eom) CanSocDem May 2014 #158

Don't forget the REAL ASSHOLES... 99Forever May 2014 #159

K & R for some real DU education! ancianita May 2014 #165

Preach it!!!! Initech May 2014 #167