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In reply to the discussion: The REAL ASSHOLES are the traitors who lied America into war and still walk free. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)68. Edward Snowden and the Real Issues
Will We Pay Attention?
by CHRISTOPHER H. PYLE
CounterPunch June 13, 2013
EXCERPT...
This scandal is not just about Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency, and Snowdens profiteering bosses at Booz Allen Hamilton. It is about secret government in general, the militarization of intelligence, the privatization of governmental functions, and the role of secret campaign contributions to prevent adequate oversight of the executive branch and its pet companies.
Senator Feinstein and her colleagues dont want to admit it, but the secrecy system does not permit her and her colleagues to restrain secret government. Once they get a secret briefing, they are pledged not to discuss what they have learned, even with their staffs. Feinstein is such a weak overseer that she could not even persuade the secret FISA court to declassify its sweeping surveillance orders or the legal rationale behind them. But Mr. Snowden could do that with his leaks. He, not the senator, revealed that the secret court had, with its rubber stamp, rendered the Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonably broad seizures meaningless.
SNIP...
Since 9/11 private corporations have greatly expanded the intelligence community. Seventy percent of the communitys budget now goes to private contractors. So members of Congress, reporters, and suspected leakers are not just vulnerable to government surveillance; they are vulnerable to corporate reprisals, should their investigations or disclosures pose a threat to companies in the intelligence business. These surveillance powers can be used not only to protect secret agencies from criticism; they can be used, as General Motors once used them, to try to discredit critics like Ralph Nader.
Many people believe that they have nothing to fear from government/corporate surveillance because they have nothing to hide. But every bureaucracy is a solution in search of a problem, and if it cant find a problem to fit its solution, they will redefine the problem. In the 1960s, the surveillance bureaucracies redefined anti-war and civil rights protests as communist enterprises; today the same bureaucracies redefine anti-war Quakers, environmentalists, and animal rights activists as terrorists. So political activists, no matter how benign, have good reasons to fear these bureaucracies.
Again, most Americans do not worry, because they are not political activists, reporters, investigating legislators, or crusading attorneys general like Eliot Spitzer. Most Americans are like the Germans who did not fear the secret police because they were not Jews. But all Americans depend on reporters, leakers, and crusading legislators to keep government agencies and private corporations under control. So they should worry about government secrecy, the militarization of surveillance, the privatization of intelligence, and the role of corporate money in elections.
CONTINUED...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/13/edward-snowden-and-the-real-issues/
Thank you very much for your kind and reasoned response, smallcat88. People are giving up on voting, IMFO, because when they pull the lever for "Democrat" out pops "Republican." Sometimes it's due to the Supreme Court going 5-4, like in Bush v Gore of Florida; other times it's due to a politician stating one thing in the campaign and doing another in office, like too many to mention. As for the press? They are A.W.O.L., apart from a brave few like Greenwald, Palast, Pilger and Hedges -- and they usually get published overseas. Here in the Homeland, it's the Internet. And if the corporate merka FCC gets its way, not for much longer.
by CHRISTOPHER H. PYLE
CounterPunch June 13, 2013
EXCERPT...
This scandal is not just about Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency, and Snowdens profiteering bosses at Booz Allen Hamilton. It is about secret government in general, the militarization of intelligence, the privatization of governmental functions, and the role of secret campaign contributions to prevent adequate oversight of the executive branch and its pet companies.
Senator Feinstein and her colleagues dont want to admit it, but the secrecy system does not permit her and her colleagues to restrain secret government. Once they get a secret briefing, they are pledged not to discuss what they have learned, even with their staffs. Feinstein is such a weak overseer that she could not even persuade the secret FISA court to declassify its sweeping surveillance orders or the legal rationale behind them. But Mr. Snowden could do that with his leaks. He, not the senator, revealed that the secret court had, with its rubber stamp, rendered the Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonably broad seizures meaningless.
SNIP...
Since 9/11 private corporations have greatly expanded the intelligence community. Seventy percent of the communitys budget now goes to private contractors. So members of Congress, reporters, and suspected leakers are not just vulnerable to government surveillance; they are vulnerable to corporate reprisals, should their investigations or disclosures pose a threat to companies in the intelligence business. These surveillance powers can be used not only to protect secret agencies from criticism; they can be used, as General Motors once used them, to try to discredit critics like Ralph Nader.
Many people believe that they have nothing to fear from government/corporate surveillance because they have nothing to hide. But every bureaucracy is a solution in search of a problem, and if it cant find a problem to fit its solution, they will redefine the problem. In the 1960s, the surveillance bureaucracies redefined anti-war and civil rights protests as communist enterprises; today the same bureaucracies redefine anti-war Quakers, environmentalists, and animal rights activists as terrorists. So political activists, no matter how benign, have good reasons to fear these bureaucracies.
Again, most Americans do not worry, because they are not political activists, reporters, investigating legislators, or crusading attorneys general like Eliot Spitzer. Most Americans are like the Germans who did not fear the secret police because they were not Jews. But all Americans depend on reporters, leakers, and crusading legislators to keep government agencies and private corporations under control. So they should worry about government secrecy, the militarization of surveillance, the privatization of intelligence, and the role of corporate money in elections.
CONTINUED...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/13/edward-snowden-and-the-real-issues/
Thank you very much for your kind and reasoned response, smallcat88. People are giving up on voting, IMFO, because when they pull the lever for "Democrat" out pops "Republican." Sometimes it's due to the Supreme Court going 5-4, like in Bush v Gore of Florida; other times it's due to a politician stating one thing in the campaign and doing another in office, like too many to mention. As for the press? They are A.W.O.L., apart from a brave few like Greenwald, Palast, Pilger and Hedges -- and they usually get published overseas. Here in the Homeland, it's the Internet. And if the corporate merka FCC gets its way, not for much longer.
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The REAL ASSHOLES are the traitors who lied America into war and still walk free. [View all]
Octafish
May 2014
OP
Didn't Hillary support the Iraq War? Kudos to Greewald for uncovering the lies based on
sabrina 1
May 2014
#112
I know enough to reflexively recoil at anything associated with Wall Street.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#21
Oh you are just trying to confuse the issue. "Hate Greenwald, hate Greenwald."
rhett o rick
May 2014
#28
Maybe taking his tweet out of context, misinterpreting it, and using it as a tool for hate and
rhett o rick
May 2014
#19
It wasnt an asshole move if you understand what he was saying. But hatred can cloud judgement. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#31
I think there is a fear of becoming irrelevant. They are like Neville Chamberlain.
rhett o rick
May 2014
#62
The problem is that there are those that refuse to support anyone that speaks out to
rhett o rick
May 2014
#37
I think you are referring to "They Thought They Were Free" by Milton Mayer. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#63
I am interested. I see Amazon* sells used copies. Current working my way thru Michael Ruppert's,
rhett o rick
May 2014
#84
Thank you for spelling it out so well, Dragonfli: The government has become most un-democratic.
Octafish
May 2014
#41
I remember when this site used to oppose war for money. I also had the pleasure
Dragonfli
May 2014
#83
"I no longer consider this a progressive site, as most of the newbies are anything but"
carolinayellowdog
May 2014
#126
Our oligarch overlords would love us to fight about Greenwald instead of addressing the bigger
rhett o rick
May 2014
#20
The point of the OP is that in the scope of things, if he is an asshole, he is way down
rhett o rick
May 2014
#34
Ah yes of course. It's so very important to keep the spotlight on him and away from other issues
rhett o rick
May 2014
#54
No No we have to focus on Bengazi stupid.. that's what the Repugs want the focus on, right?
YOHABLO
May 2014
#99
Good point. The Repugs want us to focus on Bengazi while the Blue Dogs want us to focus
rhett o rick
May 2014
#137
Are you the Owner of this Site..? What gives YOU the right to decide what gets posted
KoKo
May 2014
#97
If lies were not being told about Greenwald there would still be Greenwald threads on Democratic
sabrina 1
May 2014
#114
I dont think the Greenwald haters recognize that they are not liberals. Just sayin.
rhett o rick
May 2014
#152
Could be. Maybe there needs to be a declaration from the Dem Party as to who actually
sabrina 1
May 2014
#153
It's weird to see DUers cutting down the cornerstone of Democracy - the Free Press.
Octafish
May 2014
#61
"It's weird to see DUers cutting down the cornerstone of Democracy - the Free Press."
malokvale77
May 2014
#115
I was told the other day on DU that I have been misinterpreting the 4th Amendment, and I presume
sabrina 1
May 2014
#154
I wish that those c/o Greenwald were as upset at what he and Snowden exposed.
Dustlawyer
May 2014
#43
It could lead one to believe that they actually approve of those, which is why they focus on GG & ES
Electric Monk
May 2014
#67
Believe It Or Not Jimmy Carter Is The Most Threatened Ex-President in US History
Octafish
May 2014
#156
The bill to bail out the banks was passed by a Democratic majority after Obama ...
slipslidingaway
May 2014
#124
Is ASSHOLE some euphemism for CRIMINAL? Just asking. The language seems a bit soft to me.
ancianita
May 2014
#128
I think Blankfein said that you can't prosecute stupidity, in so many words. Proving intent is THE
ancianita
May 2014
#130
Huh. I was raised on "Ignorance is no defense" and for the "unwashed masses" that is true...
Pholus
May 2014
#132
Several DUers routinely apply it to journalists and whistleblowers, rather than to criminals.
Octafish
May 2014
#155
Amazing that we need this review of real criminal history, but we do, Octafish...
MrMickeysMom
May 2014
#161
the REAL ASSHOLES are the torturers. those who put torture into american's mainstream
spanone
May 2014
#157