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141. Yes because the semantics argument deflects from having to face your own....

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Do white liberals understand the white privilege they receive daily? [View all] randys1 May 2014 OP

Every problem that anyone has on earth is my fault. Marshall III May 2014 #1

Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA. Member since: Thu Apr 10, 2014. DanTex May 2014 #12

I don't have a "Favorite Group", although I may argue often in those forums. Marshall III May 2014 #27

Oh we understand alright.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #40

Yeah, no pigeon holing people here. Marshall III May 2014 #44

this is DEMOCRATIC Underground...that IS the "pigeon hole" of this entire site... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #51

It's the group you have posted the most to, it's in your profile Fumesucker May 2014 #41

Like I said, I ofgten argue or comment where the news takes me. Marshall III May 2014 #59

Been Here Forever RobinA May 2014 #74

Actually, it's because you sound like a right-winger here. Scootaloo May 2014 #77

Why? RobinA May 2014 #139

As someone familiar with the way the right casts race issues yes, because I say so Scootaloo May 2014 #160

"forgive me for being white" horse shit is exactly it. bettyellen May 2014 #190

1) Why would you apologize for being white? NCTraveler May 2014 #79

Are you eating worms now? You should be. nt raccoon May 2014 #91

Mixed With RobinA May 2014 #140

Ground glass doesn't work very well. Jackpine Radical May 2014 #157

As was your original comment, too? LanternWaste May 2014 #49

And that is relevant how? Ohhhhhh that's right. Stereotyping and bias on DU The Straight Story May 2014 #64

It's almost like DU has its own self-appointed intelligence service. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #108

Well, I suspected that Ted Nugentesque views on one issue might bleed over into Ted Nugentesque DanTex May 2014 #116

So views on issues become calling names or refering to one person The Straight Story May 2014 #117

For example, when Cliven Bundy rolls up with his militia buddies and refuses to recognize DanTex May 2014 #120

What are you talking about? Marshall III May 2014 #125

+1 NutmegYankee May 2014 #215

Hey, Dan! What's your favorite group? Eleanors38 May 2014 #182

See, here's the problem: Paladin May 2014 #68

You comment makes as much sense as the glamorizing the murder of Muslims. Marshall III May 2014 #94

Even if you claim white privilege, your responses need to make sense. Paladin May 2014 #97

Glamorization of th crusades is in now? Marshall III May 2014 #106

Nah. I'm just a big Richard Boone fan. Enjoy your stay. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #109

Bless your heart. Heidi May 2014 #103

Yep, that's exactly what the OP said arcane1 May 2014 #127

And that is what too many, hard working, blue collar, white, middle class men and women, Marshall III May 2014 #131

Don't you mean ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #166

No I don't mean that at all. Marshall III May 2014 #181

How many times will you read ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #184

How do you know what struggles I face? Marshall III May 2014 #188

I'm not telling you ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #191

He doesn't claim to. He knows the struggles you typically would not face due to racism. bettyellen May 2014 #194

Perhaps before posting anymore laundry_queen May 2014 #207

I'd file that under "no" RedCappedBandit May 2014 #186

Have you not read the race threads on the front page? gollygee May 2014 #2

that's one answer Supersedeas May 2014 #210

I guess Dave Marsh only hangs out with white people. dilby May 2014 #3

You don't understand that Racism involves having power over someone VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #43

My boss owned a business he had power over people. dilby May 2014 #48

If he didn't hire other people then THAT is racism! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #54

My theory is anyone can be a racist and it does not require power. dilby May 2014 #67

but YOUR theory is wrong... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #69

Let me help you rephrase that in less threatening terms ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #172

Thank you....said perfectly..... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #174

if the subject matter actually interests you, then read up why it is important to POC that bigotry bettyellen May 2014 #78

In terms of *intrapersonal* racism, at least, that is *absolutely* correct. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #192

exactly, when it begins and ends with personal animus, it is bigotry. And that folks, is why the bettyellen May 2014 #73

and you are exactly right too! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #81

and trying to change the widely accepted terminology because you'd rather not think about it- bettyellen May 2014 #90

Yes 100%! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #130

I don't think it's because they'd rather not think about it gollygee May 2014 #133

yeah the attempts at renaming it "POC dispriviledge" demonstate this pretty well. If you have to bettyellen May 2014 #138

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No there is actually a big difference VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #83

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read my previous response VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #88

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No back to the "definitions mean something" thing VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #129

they are redefining the word in order to Niceguy1 May 2014 #180

You think having an bigoted neighbor is the same as having a bigoted police force, workplace ... bettyellen May 2014 #193

not all white peoplehave power Niceguy1 May 2014 #196

Power is not an absolute but relative. bettyellen May 2014 #217

I Think RobinA May 2014 #87

It isn't dishonest. It's basic sociology. nt redqueen May 2014 #98

Changing the Meanings RobinA May 2014 #144

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It is LITERALLY Sociology 101 material. redqueen May 2014 #175

Yes it is. Took sociology 101 last term laundry_queen May 2014 #208

some many didn't take the close and assign the material a number Supersedeas May 2014 #214

LOL, that was a wild guess stated with such assurance I have to laugh. Pick up a text book, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #178

I had the same conversation with him and I'm just going to have to agree to disagree Revanchist May 2014 #110

"racist is now one of the worst things you can call someone" when wasn't it? LOL. Welcome to DU.... bettyellen May 2014 #111

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No you again missed the point.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #132

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No if you are reading this thread... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #164

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I am not redefiining.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #170

Bullshit ismnotwasm May 2014 #171

Oh really....you are being told over and over again on this thread you are wrong...but here you go.. VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #173

im dating an Asian, too Niceguy1 May 2014 #179

Dave Marsh is wrong. Throd May 2014 #4

How so? Supersedeas May 2014 #113

What is the remedy? seveneyes May 2014 #5

I am sure the remedy is a long term issue, but I was just asking if white liberals randys1 May 2014 #9

Many White male Liberals do not recognize their privilege VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #55

Denial of something as simple and straight-forward as this Supersedeas May 2014 #211

I don't know how they call themselves Liberal with this point of view.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #216

giving the same privileges to those that don't have it maybe? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #46

Exactly seveneyes May 2014 #60

Many can't make that distinction ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #119

S I G H randys1 May 2014 #6

Even in countries where whites are the minority? B2G May 2014 #8

Why did I put (america) in EACH time randys1 May 2014 #11

So if someone lives in another country where they are the majority B2G May 2014 #18

racism is a function of power of the majority over the minority randys1 May 2014 #23

hatred is not racism unless that person has power over someone else VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #47

Where are you and Randys1 getting that definition from? Revanchist May 2014 #71

It is what it is.....for your edification VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #80

Thanks for the link, although I disagree with his thought process Revanchist May 2014 #84

No that would be your opinion... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #85

and they argue about the word instead of dealing with their privilege randys1 May 2014 #135

Yes because the semantics argument deflects from having to face your own.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #141

And if the landlord was black B2G May 2014 #143

Can you prove that happens systemically? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #145

That doesn't matter B2G May 2014 #147

Yes it DOES matter.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #148

Then how can you claim you couldn't be a racist B2G May 2014 #149

As I said...ONE theoretical story...does not change the facts... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #150

You're making this up as you go along, aren't you? B2G May 2014 #151

No I am not....or are you ignoring others on this thread who are telling you the exact same thing VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #155

And you are changing the meaning of words B2G May 2014 #158

No that would be YOU! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #159

You posted, and I quote B2G May 2014 #161

I'm White... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #162

If gollygee May 2014 #152

Thank you for explaining it better than I was doing... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #156

It isn't strictly tied to population numbers. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #32

exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #72

I was going to answer B2G by bringing that up redqueen May 2014 #95

SIGH.... another Mark Twain was right thread! whistler162 May 2014 #16

So a neighborhood with an Asian majority and a black minority can't have racism? dilby May 2014 #28

You're New RobinA May 2014 #82

I have read enough to see people have a very simplistic view of racism. dilby May 2014 #92

Racism and Rape both acts of power what is so hard to understand? Exposethefrauds May 2014 #31

Why can't some non-whites be racists? In this country, Asian men are the highest income group. pnwmom May 2014 #118

Actually a "non-white" person can be racist. Behind the Aegis May 2014 #128

I don't know who Dave Marsh is, and I won't speak to his comments. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #7

I saw a live taping of Big Bang, I mainly wanted to go to see Kaley in the flesh randys1 May 2014 #17

I think that boiling a complex problem down to white privilege is a gross oversimplification. badtoworse May 2014 #10

Not ridiculous, but you need to understand what racism is first i guess randys1 May 2014 #14

If enlightened means marching and thinking in lock step, then you are correct. badtoworse May 2014 #24

Continuing to refuse to acknowledge racism and how it works is a sad position for you to take randys1 May 2014 #35

Where have I done that? badtoworse May 2014 #58

Would you agree that white supremacy ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #122

To me, the term "white supremacy" means a deliberate and concerted effort... badtoworse May 2014 #134

I knew certain people would focus on that word and be unable to actually discuss this randys1 May 2014 #137

+1000 Louisiana1976 May 2014 #142

White supremacy isn't the root of all racism, no. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #197

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #199

Which is understandable... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #203

Oh, I am fully aware ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #205

Anyone who thinks only whites can be racist doesn't have business commenting on racism JJChambers May 2014 #13

No, you have to use the OP's definition of racism. Throd May 2014 #19

This is something of a semantic argument. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #61

You need to define what you mean by racism before you quote Dave Marsh el_bryanto May 2014 #15

You are right, but I think even the most liberal white guy can be racist once in a while randys1 May 2014 #20

I use my discount card everywhere! Better than AAA one The Straight Story May 2014 #21

i just got my white privilege card in the mail today. i used it to get out of a ticket (75 mph i leftyohiolib May 2014 #50

This is not as ridiculous as you think. You might get out of a ticket ... kwassa May 2014 #177

What's in YOUR wallet? Gidney N Cloyd May 2014 #96

A white card for a white man. Even the lettering is in white! The Straight Story May 2014 #99

And in Canada they have Moose Privilege: The Straight Story May 2014 #101

This is what I think. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #22

Ashamed? You must have misread me, i didnt ask you about shame randys1 May 2014 #26

The is a much-discussed topic on DU Le Taz Hot May 2014 #30

I'd love to see some links to this subtext you're claiming. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #36

There is a difference between Le Taz Hot May 2014 #39

Nope, there really is no difference. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #62

Le Taz Hot, I actually agree with you on this. Eleanors38 May 2014 #187

I'm honestly conflicted about the term "white privilege". DanTex May 2014 #25

^raises hand^ Le Taz Hot May 2014 #33

So it is the connotation that privleged means MORE advantaged than how you yourself feel? bettyellen May 2014 #66

I think you are unnecessarily quibbling about a specific word that has a specific meaning in this Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #65

Yes, I am quibbling over word choice. DanTex May 2014 #121

Eh. Maybe you could find a more useful word, or maybe people could Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #123

I get the "eh". And I agree that many folks are just resistant to the principle. DanTex May 2014 #126

Yes, many of us are aware of it although liberalhistorian May 2014 #29

"Acknowledge your privilege!" is a sure-fire vote-winner. Nye Bevan May 2014 #34

And let's add to that this: The Straight Story May 2014 #37

Why Is This RobinA May 2014 #93

As a white man I resent the use of the term white privilege Capt. Obvious May 2014 #38

Good Italian, is all I ask... randys1 May 2014 #42

It's like Dave used to say: Dr. Strange May 2014 #89

A friend of mine used to live in the same area I moved to a few WhiteTara May 2014 #45

I'm a white male with a mental disorder (Asperger's) Shoulders of Giants May 2014 #52

thank you for your response, i appreciate thoughtful people like yourself randys1 May 2014 #56

I recognize it exists, but I don't beat myself over the head over it, or quinnox May 2014 #53

I certainly do...but it also begs a question: Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #57

hell YES, i know i do randys1 May 2014 #63

I Think RobinA May 2014 #70

Some do some don't. I think a more interesting question is whatthehey May 2014 #75

I know exactly what white priviledge is. Marshall III May 2014 #100

I understand violations to the Rights guaranteed in the Constitution. KansDem May 2014 #102

I'm still reviewing yesterday's lecture, but do go on and explain it all to us again. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #105

I said this before but it never matters to you upaloopa May 2014 #107

I agree with some of what you write, disagree with some uppityperson May 2014 #112

too soon, people just are not ready to deal with it yet i guess randys1 May 2014 #136

not just conservatives or liberals for that matter but most white Americans Douglas Carpenter May 2014 #114

I just learned something new. If you compare salaries, Asians are the new whites. pnwmom May 2014 #115

As a gay Jew, I know I am so incredibly privileged. Kurska May 2014 #146

Well white privilege is just one kind of privilege. gollygee May 2014 #153

Don't agree with M. Marsh... Mike Nelson May 2014 #154

Yeah, I think about how privileged I am every day while I'm knee deep in garbage. Skeeter Barnes May 2014 #168

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Missing the point beyond the macro, societal level and an individual. uppityperson May 2014 #176

Been hearing thus for nearly 50 yrs. Anything changed? Eleanors38 May 2014 #183

I certainly understand it steve2470 May 2014 #185

TBH, I don't believe in "white privilege".....not as a literal concept, anyway. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #189

saying there is no white privilege is like saying there are no clouds on a cloudy day randys1 May 2014 #195

No such thing as "white privilege", eh? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #198

I think you raise a good point about the semantics... Hippo_Tron May 2014 #204

White privilege hasn't failed as a teaching tool. kwassa May 2014 #222

No. Iggo May 2014 #200

that's too bad...thought we had accomplished something, guess not randys1 May 2014 #213

Accomplished what, by doing what? Iggo May 2014 #218

By what magic do black, native american or hispanic liberals grok the nature of being white? lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #201

I don't doubt that whites are privileged in many ways senseandsensibility May 2014 #202

Oh for fuck sake, here we go again! CANDO May 2014 #206

You are spot on Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #209

want some cheese with that whine? amazing randys1 May 2014 #212

What do I think? I think your friend Dave Marsh is an idiot. Zavulon May 2014 #219

sigh randys1 May 2014 #220

Well, it is official, answer is for the most part, NO randys1 May 2014 #221