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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Fri May 9, 2014, 03:16 PM May 2014

Repost from March. Greenwald defends himself from those who say he supported Bush and Iraq. [View all]

Since there are so many assaults today on the character of Glenn Greenwald, it is time to repost his own words. He deserves to have his own words heard. Give him that much.

Before 2004, I had been politically indifferent. Believed govt insulated from real abuse.

Those are not my words. But that just about describes how I was politically before the Iraq invasion. So I understand someone who claims they were apathetic politically at the time.

What is interesting is that these are the words of Glenn Greenwald when he defended himself from so many of the attacks on him. Here are his words from the preface of his 2006 book "How Would a Patriot Act?"

Every time his name is mentioned here it is said he supported the Iraq invasion. Just like many other once respected lefty bloggers he is now condemned.

Our country is at a profound crossroads. We must decide whether we want to adhere to the values and principles that have made our country free, strong, and great for the 217 years since our Constitution was ratified, or whether we will relinquish those values and fundamentally change who we are, all in the name of seeking protection from terrorism. I genuinely believe that we are extremely lucky to be the beneficiaries of a system of government that uniquely protects our individual liberties and allows us a life free of tyranny and oppression. It is incumbent upon all Americans who believe in that system, bequeathed to us by the founders, to defend it when it is under assault and in jeopardy. And today it is.

I did not arrive at these conclusions eagerly or because I was predisposed by any previous partisan viewpoint. Quite the contrary.

....I never voted for George W. Bush — or for any of his political opponents. I believed that voting was not particularly important. Our country, it seemed to me, was essentially on the right track. Whether Democrats or Republicans held the White House or the majorities in Congress made only the most marginal difference. . . .

I firmly believed that our democratic system of government was sufficiently insulated from any real abuse
, by our Constitution and by the checks and balances afforded by having three separate but equal branches of government. My primary political belief was that both parties were plagued by extremists who were equally dangerous and destructive, but that as long as neither extreme acquired real political power, our system would function smoothly and more or less tolerably. For that reason, although I always paid attention to political debates, I was never sufficiently moved to become engaged in the electoral process. I had great faith in the stability and resilience of the constitutional republic that the founders created.


There was a post last year at Daily Kos which referenced a blog post in which Greenwald defended himself on many positions. I had been searching for that post, but that blog site apparently is defunct.

Here are some quotes of his from the DKos post.

Glenn Greenwald Responds to Widespread Lies About Him

These claim are absolutely false. They come from a complete distortion of the Preface I wrote to my own 2006 book, How Would a Patriot Act? That book - which was the first book devoted to denouncing the Bush/Cheney executive power theories as radical and lawless - was published a mere six months after I began blogging, so the the purpose of the Preface was to explain where I had come from, why I left my law practice to begin writing about politics, and what my political evolution had been..

The whole point of the Preface was that, before 2004, I had been politically apathetic and indifferent - except for the work I was doing on constitutional law. That's because, while I had no interest in the fights between Democrats and Republicans, I had a basic trust in the American political system and its institutions, such that I devoted my attention and energies to preventing constitutional violations rather than political debates.

.....When the Iraq War was debated and then commenced, I was not a writer. I was not a journalist. I was not politically engaged or active. I never played any role in political debates or controversies. Unlike the countless beloved Democrats who actually did support the war - including Obama's Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - I had no platform or role in politics of any kind.

I never once wrote in favor of the Iraq War or argued for it in any way, shape or form. Ask anyone who claims that I "supported" the Iraq War to point to a single instance where I ever supported or defended it in any way. There is no such instance. It's a pure fabrication.


You really should read the rest of the very long DKos post. It covers many areas in which he defends himself.

There is not any one single author or reporter who gets it right every time. I do not ever agree with any one person all the time.

But now it is hard to post any work of any writer who is or has been critical of President Obama's policies. I really never thought about that happening on Democratic forums.


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ANOTHER Greenwald thread? we need MORE, MORE, MORE, I SAY!! PeaceNikki May 2014 #1
We need not to turn into a forum that hates one person so much. madfloridian May 2014 #2
lol. seriously? He's a public figure. A *libertarian*, no less. PeaceNikki May 2014 #3
Oh sure. A *libertarian* who advocates for Social Security, single-payer, raises money for Dems Luminous Animal May 2014 #5
Don't forget how he also told progressives how Ron Paul was such a standup guy? PeaceNikki May 2014 #8
Except for that pesky fact that he never said Paul was a stand up guy. But keep trying... Luminous Animal May 2014 #11
You are dishonest and ill-informed. Maedhros May 2014 #57
Miss you already!! PeaceNikki May 2014 #61
Could you post what Greenwald actually said Crunchy Frog May 2014 #82
I could, but won't. I prefer Tim Wise's analysis of it. You can Google it if you'd like. PeaceNikki May 2014 #84
No. I'm not the one trying to prove a point, you are. Crunchy Frog May 2014 #85
lol. ok. carry on. PeaceNikki May 2014 #86
In the link I gave he addresses the libertarian accusation. It's quite long. madfloridian May 2014 #6
Oh yeah, and remember that time Glenn Greenwald defended a white supremacist murderer PeaceNikki May 2014 #9
Greenwald:"the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite." Luminous Animal May 2014 #17
He is not a Libertarian. Maedhros May 2014 #56
yes, he is. so is snowden. PeaceNikki May 2014 #62
No, the facts about Greenwald are just glossed over by his acolytes. KittyWampus May 2014 #63
Greenwald is DU's Emmanuel Goldstein. It's rare that a day goes by without our 15 minute hate. Luminous Animal May 2014 #4
DU has it's own Manny Goldstein. MineralMan May 2014 #12
Well, knock me over with a feather and call me, Betsy. Luminous Animal May 2014 #18
He goes by Manny now, and he can dish it out fairly well himself (pretty much all of it ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #13
No only the ones about character assasination should remain. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #87
Sadly, you could post this everyday whatchamacallit May 2014 #7
Loyalists yes, but to a President or a party, not to their Country. A Simple Game May 2014 #55
They know they are being dishonest - they just don't care. Maedhros May 2014 #59
Sadly, you are right. deurbano May 2014 #78
Thanks for re-post of TRUTH...that goes into the memory whole these days.. KoKo May 2014 #10
Repost: This is Greenwald's debunk of his support for the Iraq war? ProSense May 2014 #14
So, should we check with you on which of his own words jeff47 May 2014 #15
Which words has she asked you to ignore? Bjorn Against May 2014 #20
How 'bout the tweet that caused all of Greenwald's defenders jeff47 May 2014 #34
But Greenwald never said that trying to find the girls was disgusting Bjorn Against May 2014 #41
Which is why you did not include that tweet in your post, right? jeff47 May 2014 #45
I am posting from a cell phone, I can't easily link Bjorn Against May 2014 #49
Now that I have something other than a cell phone, here is the Tweet Bjorn Against May 2014 #74
No, no, madfloridian. bvar22 May 2014 #16
Check out post 51, "I can have it any way I want it" seems to be the new talking point Bjorn Against May 2014 #79
LOL bvar22 May 2014 #80
I often wonder why people here like this Paulite, Greenwald, so much? MohRokTah May 2014 #19
His own words about issues he supports that a libertarian would not. madfloridian May 2014 #21
He speaks out of both sides of his moouth MohRokTah May 2014 #25
amen PeaceNikki May 2014 #23
If you think he is an Ayn Rand supporter you clearly have not read him Bjorn Against May 2014 #28
HE talks out of oth sides of his mouth, jsut like Ayn Rand MohRokTah May 2014 #30
But Greenwald never railed against social security Bjorn Against May 2014 #35
So I'm supposed to trust what he says? MohRokTah May 2014 #36
Well you are certainly not supposed to claim he holds a position he never took Bjorn Against May 2014 #38
Well, I never did that. MohRokTah May 2014 #39
Well you certainly claimed Greenwald was an Ayn Rand libertarian Bjorn Against May 2014 #43
He is. MohRokTah May 2014 #44
You provide no support for your claims Bjorn Against May 2014 #46
He's a public figure. I can decide anything I want about him. MohRokTah May 2014 #51
Pretzel logic Electric Monk May 2014 #52
LOL Bjorn Against May 2014 #54
Facts be damned! I hate him just because! neverforget May 2014 #60
I made my case MohRokTah May 2014 #66
You Better Believe It! neverforget May 2014 #68
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2014 #22
Hi Willy T... madfloridian May 2014 #24
If you repeat a smear often enough... Octafish May 2014 #26
..... madfloridian May 2014 #29
Thanks for that! Maedhros May 2014 #67
It is the same group that likes to make lists of people they want banned from this site. Rex May 2014 #40
Another Kick! KoKo May 2014 #27
Greenwald. LOL... SidDithers May 2014 #31
"his sycophants are comedy gold." madfloridian May 2014 #33
Living in the US these days nationalize the fed May 2014 #64
In what way do you think that madfloridian, and others, hope to gain advantage with Mr Greenwald? Electric Monk May 2014 #70
You left out the synonyms... SidDithers May 2014 #71
I received a special Greenwald appreciation award. Enthusiast May 2014 #76
You must admit he's not very bright. randome May 2014 #32
Here I am not considered to be very bright either. madfloridian May 2014 #37
I hope you don't quit. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #42
He did not win a Pulitzer and you've been informed about that many times already. randome May 2014 #47
sticks in your craw, doesn't it? DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #50
Is anyone attacking you for objecting to privatization? randome May 2014 #48
We appreciate the work you do on our behalf. Thank you! Enthusiast May 2014 #77
Facts don't matter to Greenwald, or to his fans. Major Hogwash May 2014 #65
He didn't vote? wryter2000 May 2014 #53
It's not Greenwald who appears JEB May 2014 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #69
I wish Comrade Snowden would come home,,,,,,, nt Cryptoad May 2014 #72
But...but....he DID embarrass Obama, the NSA, and the Dems who supported Bush. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #73
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2014 #75
Another Kick for Truth and Literacy KoKo May 2014 #81
Poor Glen Greenwald, it's so hard being a political ping-pong! Obnoxious_One May 2014 #83
knr nt slipslidingaway May 2014 #88
Rec, Nice try, but Jakes Progress May 2014 #89
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