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In reply to the discussion: Repost from March. Greenwald defends himself from those who say he supported Bush and Iraq. [View all]PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)8. Don't forget how he also told progressives how Ron Paul was such a standup guy?
Tim Wise smacked him down pretty good: http://www.timwise.org/2012/01/of-broken-clocks-presidential-candidates-and-the-confusion-of-certain-white-liberals/
And please, Glenn Greenwald, spare me the tired shtick about how Paul raises important issues that no one on the left is raising, and so even though youre not endorsing him, it is still helpful to a progressive narrative that his voice be heard. Bullshit. The stronger Paul gets the stronger Paul gets, period. And the stronger Paul gets, the stronger libertarianism gets, and thus, the Libertarian Party as a potential third party: not the Greens, mind you, but the Libertarians. And the stronger Paul gets, the stronger become those voices who worship the free market as though it were an invisible fairy godparent, capable of dispensing all good things to all comers people like Paul Ryan, for instance, or Scott Walker. In a nation where the dominant narrative has long been anti-tax, anti-regulation, poor-people-bashing and God-bless-capitalism, it would be precisely those aspects of Pauls ideological grab bag that would become more prominent. And if you dont know that, you are a fool of such Herculean proportions as to suggest that Salon might wish to consider administering some kind of political-movement-related-cognitive skills test for its columnists, and the setting of a minimum cutoff score, below which you would, for this one stroke of asininity alone, most assuredly fall.
I mean, seriously, if raising important issues is all it takes to get some kind words from liberal authors, bloggers and activists, and maybe even votes from some progressives, just so as to shake things up, then why not support David Duke? With the exception of his views on the drug war, David shares every single view of Pauls that can be considered progressive or left in orientation. Every single one. So where do you draw the line? Must one have actually donned a Klan hood and lit a cross before his handful of liberal stands prove to be insufficient? Must one actually, as Duke has been known to do, light candles on a birthday cake for Hitler on April 20, before it no longer proves adequate to want to limit the overzealous reach of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms? Exactly when does one become too much of an evil fuck even for you? Inquiring minds seriously want to know.
Meanwhile, at what point do you stop being so concerned about whether a presidential candidate is pushing the issues Paul raises (so many of which do need raising and attention), and realize what every actual leftist in history has realized, but which apparently some liberals and progressives dont: namely, that the real battles are in the streets, and in the neighborhoods, and in movement activism? It isnt a president, whether his name is Ron Paul or Barack Obama who gets good things done. It is us, demanding change and threatening to literally shut the system down (whether we mean Wall Street, the Port of Oakland, the Wisconsin state capitol, Columbia University, a Woolworths lunch counter, or the Montgomery, Alabama bus system) who force presidents and lawmakers to bend to the public will.
I mean, seriously, if raising important issues is all it takes to get some kind words from liberal authors, bloggers and activists, and maybe even votes from some progressives, just so as to shake things up, then why not support David Duke? With the exception of his views on the drug war, David shares every single view of Pauls that can be considered progressive or left in orientation. Every single one. So where do you draw the line? Must one have actually donned a Klan hood and lit a cross before his handful of liberal stands prove to be insufficient? Must one actually, as Duke has been known to do, light candles on a birthday cake for Hitler on April 20, before it no longer proves adequate to want to limit the overzealous reach of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms? Exactly when does one become too much of an evil fuck even for you? Inquiring minds seriously want to know.
Meanwhile, at what point do you stop being so concerned about whether a presidential candidate is pushing the issues Paul raises (so many of which do need raising and attention), and realize what every actual leftist in history has realized, but which apparently some liberals and progressives dont: namely, that the real battles are in the streets, and in the neighborhoods, and in movement activism? It isnt a president, whether his name is Ron Paul or Barack Obama who gets good things done. It is us, demanding change and threatening to literally shut the system down (whether we mean Wall Street, the Port of Oakland, the Wisconsin state capitol, Columbia University, a Woolworths lunch counter, or the Montgomery, Alabama bus system) who force presidents and lawmakers to bend to the public will.
You may agree with him on some things, but he's neither a liberal nor progressive: http://rootedcosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/glenn-greenwald-neither-a-liberal-nor-a-progressive/
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Repost from March. Greenwald defends himself from those who say he supported Bush and Iraq. [View all]
madfloridian
May 2014
OP
Oh sure. A *libertarian* who advocates for Social Security, single-payer, raises money for Dems
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#5
Don't forget how he also told progressives how Ron Paul was such a standup guy?
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#8
Except for that pesky fact that he never said Paul was a stand up guy. But keep trying...
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#11
I could, but won't. I prefer Tim Wise's analysis of it. You can Google it if you'd like.
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#84
In the link I gave he addresses the libertarian accusation. It's quite long.
madfloridian
May 2014
#6
Oh yeah, and remember that time Glenn Greenwald defended a white supremacist murderer
PeaceNikki
May 2014
#9
Greenwald:"the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite."
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#17
Greenwald is DU's Emmanuel Goldstein. It's rare that a day goes by without our 15 minute hate.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#4
He goes by Manny now, and he can dish it out fairly well himself (pretty much all of it ...
11 Bravo
May 2014
#13
Check out post 51, "I can have it any way I want it" seems to be the new talking point
Bjorn Against
May 2014
#79
Well you are certainly not supposed to claim he holds a position he never took
Bjorn Against
May 2014
#38
It is the same group that likes to make lists of people they want banned from this site.
Rex
May 2014
#40
In what way do you think that madfloridian, and others, hope to gain advantage with Mr Greenwald?
Electric Monk
May 2014
#70
He did not win a Pulitzer and you've been informed about that many times already.
randome
May 2014
#47
But...but....he DID embarrass Obama, the NSA, and the Dems who supported Bush.
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2014
#73