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PeaceNikki

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8. Don't forget how he also told progressives how Ron Paul was such a standup guy?
Fri May 9, 2014, 03:30 PM
May 2014

Tim Wise smacked him down pretty good: http://www.timwise.org/2012/01/of-broken-clocks-presidential-candidates-and-the-confusion-of-certain-white-liberals/

And please, Glenn Greenwald, spare me the tired shtick about how Paul “raises important issues” that no one on the left is raising, and so even though you’re not endorsing him, it is still helpful to a progressive narrative that his voice be heard. Bullshit. The stronger Paul gets the stronger Paul gets, period. And the stronger Paul gets, the stronger libertarianism gets, and thus, the Libertarian Party as a potential third party: not the Greens, mind you, but the Libertarians. And the stronger Paul gets, the stronger become those voices who worship the free market as though it were an invisible fairy godparent, capable of dispensing all good things to all comers — people like Paul Ryan, for instance, or Scott Walker. In a nation where the dominant narrative has long been anti-tax, anti-regulation, poor-people-bashing and God-bless-capitalism, it would be precisely those aspects of Paul’s ideological grab bag that would become more prominent. And if you don’t know that, you are a fool of such Herculean proportions as to suggest that Salon might wish to consider administering some kind of political-movement-related-cognitive skills test for its columnists, and the setting of a minimum cutoff score, below which you would, for this one stroke of asininity alone, most assuredly fall.

I mean, seriously, if “raising important issues” is all it takes to get some kind words from liberal authors, bloggers and activists, and maybe even votes from some progressives, just so as to “shake things up,” then why not support David Duke? With the exception of his views on the drug war, David shares every single view of Paul’s that can be considered progressive or left in orientation. Every single one. So where do you draw the line? Must one have actually donned a Klan hood and lit a cross before his handful of liberal stands prove to be insufficient? Must one actually, as Duke has been known to do, light candles on a birthday cake for Hitler on April 20, before it no longer proves adequate to want to limit the overzealous reach of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms? Exactly when does one become too much of an evil fuck even for you? Inquiring minds seriously want to know.

Meanwhile, at what point do you stop being so concerned about whether a presidential candidate is pushing the issues Paul raises (so many of which do need raising and attention), and realize what every actual leftist in history has realized, but which apparently some liberals and progressives don’t: namely, that the real battles are in the streets, and in the neighborhoods, and in movement activism? It isn’t a president, whether his name is Ron Paul or Barack Obama who gets good things done. It is us, demanding change and threatening to literally shut the system down (whether we mean Wall Street, the Port of Oakland, the Wisconsin state capitol, Columbia University, a Woolworth’s lunch counter, or the Montgomery, Alabama bus system) who force presidents and lawmakers to bend to the public will.


You may agree with him on some things, but he's neither a liberal nor progressive: http://rootedcosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/glenn-greenwald-neither-a-liberal-nor-a-progressive/

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ANOTHER Greenwald thread? we need MORE, MORE, MORE, I SAY!! PeaceNikki May 2014 #1
We need not to turn into a forum that hates one person so much. madfloridian May 2014 #2
lol. seriously? He's a public figure. A *libertarian*, no less. PeaceNikki May 2014 #3
Oh sure. A *libertarian* who advocates for Social Security, single-payer, raises money for Dems Luminous Animal May 2014 #5
Don't forget how he also told progressives how Ron Paul was such a standup guy? PeaceNikki May 2014 #8
Except for that pesky fact that he never said Paul was a stand up guy. But keep trying... Luminous Animal May 2014 #11
You are dishonest and ill-informed. Maedhros May 2014 #57
Miss you already!! PeaceNikki May 2014 #61
Could you post what Greenwald actually said Crunchy Frog May 2014 #82
I could, but won't. I prefer Tim Wise's analysis of it. You can Google it if you'd like. PeaceNikki May 2014 #84
No. I'm not the one trying to prove a point, you are. Crunchy Frog May 2014 #85
lol. ok. carry on. PeaceNikki May 2014 #86
In the link I gave he addresses the libertarian accusation. It's quite long. madfloridian May 2014 #6
Oh yeah, and remember that time Glenn Greenwald defended a white supremacist murderer PeaceNikki May 2014 #9
Greenwald:"the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite." Luminous Animal May 2014 #17
He is not a Libertarian. Maedhros May 2014 #56
yes, he is. so is snowden. PeaceNikki May 2014 #62
No, the facts about Greenwald are just glossed over by his acolytes. KittyWampus May 2014 #63
Greenwald is DU's Emmanuel Goldstein. It's rare that a day goes by without our 15 minute hate. Luminous Animal May 2014 #4
DU has it's own Manny Goldstein. MineralMan May 2014 #12
Well, knock me over with a feather and call me, Betsy. Luminous Animal May 2014 #18
He goes by Manny now, and he can dish it out fairly well himself (pretty much all of it ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #13
No only the ones about character assasination should remain. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #87
Sadly, you could post this everyday whatchamacallit May 2014 #7
Loyalists yes, but to a President or a party, not to their Country. A Simple Game May 2014 #55
They know they are being dishonest - they just don't care. Maedhros May 2014 #59
Sadly, you are right. deurbano May 2014 #78
Thanks for re-post of TRUTH...that goes into the memory whole these days.. KoKo May 2014 #10
Repost: This is Greenwald's debunk of his support for the Iraq war? ProSense May 2014 #14
So, should we check with you on which of his own words jeff47 May 2014 #15
Which words has she asked you to ignore? Bjorn Against May 2014 #20
How 'bout the tweet that caused all of Greenwald's defenders jeff47 May 2014 #34
But Greenwald never said that trying to find the girls was disgusting Bjorn Against May 2014 #41
Which is why you did not include that tweet in your post, right? jeff47 May 2014 #45
I am posting from a cell phone, I can't easily link Bjorn Against May 2014 #49
Now that I have something other than a cell phone, here is the Tweet Bjorn Against May 2014 #74
No, no, madfloridian. bvar22 May 2014 #16
Check out post 51, "I can have it any way I want it" seems to be the new talking point Bjorn Against May 2014 #79
LOL bvar22 May 2014 #80
I often wonder why people here like this Paulite, Greenwald, so much? MohRokTah May 2014 #19
His own words about issues he supports that a libertarian would not. madfloridian May 2014 #21
He speaks out of both sides of his moouth MohRokTah May 2014 #25
amen PeaceNikki May 2014 #23
If you think he is an Ayn Rand supporter you clearly have not read him Bjorn Against May 2014 #28
HE talks out of oth sides of his mouth, jsut like Ayn Rand MohRokTah May 2014 #30
But Greenwald never railed against social security Bjorn Against May 2014 #35
So I'm supposed to trust what he says? MohRokTah May 2014 #36
Well you are certainly not supposed to claim he holds a position he never took Bjorn Against May 2014 #38
Well, I never did that. MohRokTah May 2014 #39
Well you certainly claimed Greenwald was an Ayn Rand libertarian Bjorn Against May 2014 #43
He is. MohRokTah May 2014 #44
You provide no support for your claims Bjorn Against May 2014 #46
He's a public figure. I can decide anything I want about him. MohRokTah May 2014 #51
Pretzel logic Electric Monk May 2014 #52
LOL Bjorn Against May 2014 #54
Facts be damned! I hate him just because! neverforget May 2014 #60
I made my case MohRokTah May 2014 #66
You Better Believe It! neverforget May 2014 #68
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2014 #22
Hi Willy T... madfloridian May 2014 #24
If you repeat a smear often enough... Octafish May 2014 #26
..... madfloridian May 2014 #29
Thanks for that! Maedhros May 2014 #67
It is the same group that likes to make lists of people they want banned from this site. Rex May 2014 #40
Another Kick! KoKo May 2014 #27
Greenwald. LOL... SidDithers May 2014 #31
"his sycophants are comedy gold." madfloridian May 2014 #33
Living in the US these days nationalize the fed May 2014 #64
In what way do you think that madfloridian, and others, hope to gain advantage with Mr Greenwald? Electric Monk May 2014 #70
You left out the synonyms... SidDithers May 2014 #71
I received a special Greenwald appreciation award. Enthusiast May 2014 #76
You must admit he's not very bright. randome May 2014 #32
Here I am not considered to be very bright either. madfloridian May 2014 #37
I hope you don't quit. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #42
He did not win a Pulitzer and you've been informed about that many times already. randome May 2014 #47
sticks in your craw, doesn't it? DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #50
Is anyone attacking you for objecting to privatization? randome May 2014 #48
We appreciate the work you do on our behalf. Thank you! Enthusiast May 2014 #77
Facts don't matter to Greenwald, or to his fans. Major Hogwash May 2014 #65
He didn't vote? wryter2000 May 2014 #53
It's not Greenwald who appears JEB May 2014 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #69
I wish Comrade Snowden would come home,,,,,,, nt Cryptoad May 2014 #72
But...but....he DID embarrass Obama, the NSA, and the Dems who supported Bush. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #73
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2014 #75
Another Kick for Truth and Literacy KoKo May 2014 #81
Poor Glen Greenwald, it's so hard being a political ping-pong! Obnoxious_One May 2014 #83
knr nt slipslidingaway May 2014 #88
Rec, Nice try, but Jakes Progress May 2014 #89
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