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In reply to the discussion: The REAL ASSHOLES are the traitors who lied America into war and still walk free. [View all]Octafish
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WikiLeaks Stratfor Dump Exposes Continued Secret Government Warmongering
War is big business. It's an insider's game. It's why we have so much secret government.
The last remaining enormous wads of cash in the Treasury are to be had for purchasing today's modern military industrial intel complex.

There's more than a trillion to be grabbed -- just for the Lockheed-Martin F-35.
Now keeping tabs on us -- people interested in using some of the nation's treasure for more peaceful purposes -- are for-hire spies. How do I know this? Julian Assange and Anonymous:
WikiLeaks' Stratfor Dump Lifts Lid on Intelligence-Industrial Complex
WikiLeaks' latest release, of hacked emails from Stratfor, shines light on the murky world of private intelligence-gathering
by Pratap Chatterjee
Published on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 by The Guardian/UK
What price bad intelligence? Some 5m internal emails from Stratfor, an Austin, Texas-based company that brands itself as a "global intelligence" provider, were recently obtained by Anonymous, the hacker collective, and are being released in batches by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowing website, starting Monday.
The most striking revelation from the latest disclosure is not simply the military-industrial complex that conspires to spy on citizens, activists and trouble-causers, but the extremely low quality of the information available to the highest bidder. Clients of the company include Dow Chemical, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, as well as US government agencies like the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Marines.
SNIP...
Assange notes that Stratfor is also seeking to profit directly from this information by partnering in an apparent hedge-fund venture with Shea Morenz, a former Goldman Sachs managing director. He points to an August 2011 document, marked "DO NOT SHARE OR DISCUSS", from Stratfor CEO George Friedman, which says:
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http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/28-10?print
If it weren't for Anonymous and WikiLeaks, we probably wouldn't know about any of that.
It's no joke. It's no unimportant story. It's no boring history. Run by insiders, the secret government is key to making the system run on behalf of the few -- the 1-percent of 1-percent. Central to that is intelligence -- economically, politically and military useful information.
Which brings up the nation's purported free press, the only business mentioned by name in the entire United States Constitution, and how the organizations therein have miserably failed to feature prominently the sundry and myriad ways the insiders on Wall Street and their toadies in Washington do the work for Them.
The problem is systemic. The corruption is systemic.
Because it involves oversight of secret organizations -- the Pentagon, Homeland Security, CIA, etc -- Congress and the Administration often have no clue, let alone oversight, to what is happening because the corruption is marked "Top Secret."
Secret government also means We the People can't do our job as citizens, which is to hold them accountable and find the ones responsible in order to vote the crooks out and, it is hoped, the honest ones in.
With no citizen oversight, anything goes. And it doesn't stop.
Remember this fine fellow, US Navy fighter ace Randy "Duke" Cunningham?
Later a member of the United States Congress, he used his position to feather his nest, Big Time.

In his political career, Cunningham was a member of the Appropriations and Intelligence committees, and chaired the House Intelligence Subcommittee on Human Intelligence Analysis and Counterintelligence during the 109th Congress. He was considered a leading Republican expert on national security issues.
Currently, he's in USP Tuscon or another fine facility where he gets three squares, medical and dental.
He's due for release in a year or so. He'll be able to pick up his pension.
Duke wasn't alone. He really was just one snake in a long line of snakes. Remember Dusty Foggo, Number 3 at CIA and close associate of CIA Director and former Congressman Porter Goss? Swells sitting atop the peak of political and military secrecy and power.
Unfortunately, when it comes to modern governance, no oversight means means the insiders are getting away with murder, and warmongering and treason and all the power that they bring. Appointed pretzeldent George W Bush on Valentine's Day 2007 put it in words: "Money trumps peace."
Secret government warmongering and war profiteering are systemic. Secret government is rotten to the core. What's more, in a democracy that once really was land of the free and home of the brave, secret government poses the greatest threat to true national security.
Thank you for grokking the situation, Dustlawyer. The "American way of life" is fast disappearing as the nation's only profitable lines of business are resource extraction, finance, and war. It is serious and those who work and serve to draw attention away from it are major parts of the problem.
War is big business. It's an insider's game. It's why we have so much secret government.
The last remaining enormous wads of cash in the Treasury are to be had for purchasing today's modern military industrial intel complex.

There's more than a trillion to be grabbed -- just for the Lockheed-Martin F-35.
Now keeping tabs on us -- people interested in using some of the nation's treasure for more peaceful purposes -- are for-hire spies. How do I know this? Julian Assange and Anonymous:
WikiLeaks' Stratfor Dump Lifts Lid on Intelligence-Industrial Complex
WikiLeaks' latest release, of hacked emails from Stratfor, shines light on the murky world of private intelligence-gathering
by Pratap Chatterjee
Published on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 by The Guardian/UK
What price bad intelligence? Some 5m internal emails from Stratfor, an Austin, Texas-based company that brands itself as a "global intelligence" provider, were recently obtained by Anonymous, the hacker collective, and are being released in batches by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowing website, starting Monday.
The most striking revelation from the latest disclosure is not simply the military-industrial complex that conspires to spy on citizens, activists and trouble-causers, but the extremely low quality of the information available to the highest bidder. Clients of the company include Dow Chemical, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon, as well as US government agencies like the Department of Homeland Security, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Marines.
SNIP...
Assange notes that Stratfor is also seeking to profit directly from this information by partnering in an apparent hedge-fund venture with Shea Morenz, a former Goldman Sachs managing director. He points to an August 2011 document, marked "DO NOT SHARE OR DISCUSS", from Stratfor CEO George Friedman, which says:
"What StratCap will do is use our Stratfor's intelligence and analysis to trade in a range of geopolitical instruments, particularly government bonds, currencies and the like."
CONTINUED...
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/28-10?print
If it weren't for Anonymous and WikiLeaks, we probably wouldn't know about any of that.
It's no joke. It's no unimportant story. It's no boring history. Run by insiders, the secret government is key to making the system run on behalf of the few -- the 1-percent of 1-percent. Central to that is intelligence -- economically, politically and military useful information.
Which brings up the nation's purported free press, the only business mentioned by name in the entire United States Constitution, and how the organizations therein have miserably failed to feature prominently the sundry and myriad ways the insiders on Wall Street and their toadies in Washington do the work for Them.
The problem is systemic. The corruption is systemic.
Because it involves oversight of secret organizations -- the Pentagon, Homeland Security, CIA, etc -- Congress and the Administration often have no clue, let alone oversight, to what is happening because the corruption is marked "Top Secret."
Secret government also means We the People can't do our job as citizens, which is to hold them accountable and find the ones responsible in order to vote the crooks out and, it is hoped, the honest ones in.
With no citizen oversight, anything goes. And it doesn't stop.
Remember this fine fellow, US Navy fighter ace Randy "Duke" Cunningham?
Later a member of the United States Congress, he used his position to feather his nest, Big Time.

In his political career, Cunningham was a member of the Appropriations and Intelligence committees, and chaired the House Intelligence Subcommittee on Human Intelligence Analysis and Counterintelligence during the 109th Congress. He was considered a leading Republican expert on national security issues.
Currently, he's in USP Tuscon or another fine facility where he gets three squares, medical and dental.
He's due for release in a year or so. He'll be able to pick up his pension.
"The Duke Cunningham Act, also known as the Federal Pension Forfeiture Act, was introduced by U.S. Senator John F. Kerry in 2006. The bill would have denied pension benefits to any members of Congress convicted of bribery, conspiracy or perjury. The bill died in committee. (Source: The Press Enterprise)
Duke wasn't alone. He really was just one snake in a long line of snakes. Remember Dusty Foggo, Number 3 at CIA and close associate of CIA Director and former Congressman Porter Goss? Swells sitting atop the peak of political and military secrecy and power.
Unfortunately, when it comes to modern governance, no oversight means means the insiders are getting away with murder, and warmongering and treason and all the power that they bring. Appointed pretzeldent George W Bush on Valentine's Day 2007 put it in words: "Money trumps peace."
Secret government warmongering and war profiteering are systemic. Secret government is rotten to the core. What's more, in a democracy that once really was land of the free and home of the brave, secret government poses the greatest threat to true national security.
Thank you for grokking the situation, Dustlawyer. The "American way of life" is fast disappearing as the nation's only profitable lines of business are resource extraction, finance, and war. It is serious and those who work and serve to draw attention away from it are major parts of the problem.
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The REAL ASSHOLES are the traitors who lied America into war and still walk free. [View all]
Octafish
May 2014
OP
Didn't Hillary support the Iraq War? Kudos to Greewald for uncovering the lies based on
sabrina 1
May 2014
#112
I know enough to reflexively recoil at anything associated with Wall Street.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#21
Oh you are just trying to confuse the issue. "Hate Greenwald, hate Greenwald."
rhett o rick
May 2014
#28
Maybe taking his tweet out of context, misinterpreting it, and using it as a tool for hate and
rhett o rick
May 2014
#19
It wasnt an asshole move if you understand what he was saying. But hatred can cloud judgement. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#31
I think there is a fear of becoming irrelevant. They are like Neville Chamberlain.
rhett o rick
May 2014
#62
The problem is that there are those that refuse to support anyone that speaks out to
rhett o rick
May 2014
#37
I think you are referring to "They Thought They Were Free" by Milton Mayer. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#63
I am interested. I see Amazon* sells used copies. Current working my way thru Michael Ruppert's,
rhett o rick
May 2014
#84
Thank you for spelling it out so well, Dragonfli: The government has become most un-democratic.
Octafish
May 2014
#41
I remember when this site used to oppose war for money. I also had the pleasure
Dragonfli
May 2014
#83
"I no longer consider this a progressive site, as most of the newbies are anything but"
carolinayellowdog
May 2014
#126
Our oligarch overlords would love us to fight about Greenwald instead of addressing the bigger
rhett o rick
May 2014
#20
The point of the OP is that in the scope of things, if he is an asshole, he is way down
rhett o rick
May 2014
#34
Ah yes of course. It's so very important to keep the spotlight on him and away from other issues
rhett o rick
May 2014
#54
No No we have to focus on Bengazi stupid.. that's what the Repugs want the focus on, right?
YOHABLO
May 2014
#99
Good point. The Repugs want us to focus on Bengazi while the Blue Dogs want us to focus
rhett o rick
May 2014
#137
Are you the Owner of this Site..? What gives YOU the right to decide what gets posted
KoKo
May 2014
#97
If lies were not being told about Greenwald there would still be Greenwald threads on Democratic
sabrina 1
May 2014
#114
I dont think the Greenwald haters recognize that they are not liberals. Just sayin.
rhett o rick
May 2014
#152
Could be. Maybe there needs to be a declaration from the Dem Party as to who actually
sabrina 1
May 2014
#153
It's weird to see DUers cutting down the cornerstone of Democracy - the Free Press.
Octafish
May 2014
#61
"It's weird to see DUers cutting down the cornerstone of Democracy - the Free Press."
malokvale77
May 2014
#115
I was told the other day on DU that I have been misinterpreting the 4th Amendment, and I presume
sabrina 1
May 2014
#154
I wish that those c/o Greenwald were as upset at what he and Snowden exposed.
Dustlawyer
May 2014
#43
It could lead one to believe that they actually approve of those, which is why they focus on GG & ES
Electric Monk
May 2014
#67
Believe It Or Not Jimmy Carter Is The Most Threatened Ex-President in US History
Octafish
May 2014
#156
The bill to bail out the banks was passed by a Democratic majority after Obama ...
slipslidingaway
May 2014
#124
Is ASSHOLE some euphemism for CRIMINAL? Just asking. The language seems a bit soft to me.
ancianita
May 2014
#128
I think Blankfein said that you can't prosecute stupidity, in so many words. Proving intent is THE
ancianita
May 2014
#130
Huh. I was raised on "Ignorance is no defense" and for the "unwashed masses" that is true...
Pholus
May 2014
#132
Several DUers routinely apply it to journalists and whistleblowers, rather than to criminals.
Octafish
May 2014
#155
Amazing that we need this review of real criminal history, but we do, Octafish...
MrMickeysMom
May 2014
#161
the REAL ASSHOLES are the torturers. those who put torture into american's mainstream
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May 2014
#157