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In reply to the discussion: Only AFTER the Iraq War became an unpopular clusterfuck did Greenwald begin to back away from Bush [View all]scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)101. Funny, really, you're using a carefully limited excerpt from his book titled,
"How Would A Patriot Act?: Defending American Values from a President Run Amok" (my bold)
So, the guy starts out as an apolitical lawyer who doesn't vote, who wants to believe that his country's leaders are generally honest and have the best interests of the country in mind. This is his unforgivable sin?
How about another excerpt from the same Preface:
What first began to shake my faith in the administration was its conduct in the case of Jose Padilla (my bold), a U.S. citizen arrested in May 2002 on U.S. soil and then publicly labeled "the dirty bomber." The administration claimed it could hold him indefinitely without charging him with any crime and while denying him access to counsel.
I never imagined that such a thing could happen in modern America that a president would claim the right to order American citizens imprisoned with no charges and without the right to a trial. In China, the former Soviet Union, Iran, and countless other countries, the government can literally abduct its citizens and imprison them without a trial. But that cannot happen in the United Statesat least it never could before. If it means anything to be an American citizen, it means that we cannot be locked away by our government unless we are charged with a crime, given due process in court, and then convicted by a jury of our peers.
I never imagined that such a thing could happen in modern America that a president would claim the right to order American citizens imprisoned with no charges and without the right to a trial. In China, the former Soviet Union, Iran, and countless other countries, the government can literally abduct its citizens and imprison them without a trial. But that cannot happen in the United Statesat least it never could before. If it means anything to be an American citizen, it means that we cannot be locked away by our government unless we are charged with a crime, given due process in court, and then convicted by a jury of our peers.
I realize that your mind is made up, but I urge anyone else who is reading this thread to go to this link and read the entire preface. It eloquently describes his journey from trust to outrage.
In response to the many controversies and scandals concerning its misconduct, the Bush administration has invariably dismissed them, focusing instead on deliberately spreading an all-consuming, highly exploitative fear of terrorists. No matter what the accusation, the administration trots out its favorite tool: manipulative fear-mongering. Public appearances by senior Bush officials over the last four years have rarely missed the opportunity for a calculated and cynical invocation of mushroom clouds, homicidal dictators, and a never-ending parade of new and destructive weapons. The language of fear is the Bush administration's lingo.
Upon drawing these conclusions, I developed, for the first time in my life, a sense of urgency about the need to take a stand for our country and its defining principles. I believe that the concentrated and unlimited power now claimed by President Bush constitutes a true crisis for the United Statesthat it has the potential to fundamentally change our national character, to irreversibly restrict our individual liberties and to radically alter our core principles. It is not hyperbole to observe that we are moving away from the founding principles of our constitutional republic towards theories of powers that the founders identified as the hallmarks of tyranny.
Upon drawing these conclusions, I developed, for the first time in my life, a sense of urgency about the need to take a stand for our country and its defining principles. I believe that the concentrated and unlimited power now claimed by President Bush constitutes a true crisis for the United Statesthat it has the potential to fundamentally change our national character, to irreversibly restrict our individual liberties and to radically alter our core principles. It is not hyperbole to observe that we are moving away from the founding principles of our constitutional republic towards theories of powers that the founders identified as the hallmarks of tyranny.
You and your fellow cohort of Greenwald haters have no more integrity than the republicans frothing over Benghazi.
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Only AFTER the Iraq War became an unpopular clusterfuck did Greenwald begin to back away from Bush [View all]
Cali_Democrat
May 2014
OP
The question is why the obsession? Arent there better things to discuss? Like the TPP or
rhett o rick
May 2014
#35
So you are saving humanity from the lies of Greenwald? I doubt that you really believe that. nm
rhett o rick
May 2014
#94
That's what I thought, you are saving us from ourselves. Talk about condescending.
rhett o rick
May 2014
#145
Funny how that works, huh? One minute you're trashing others for a "cult of personality",
Tarheel_Dem
May 2014
#106
Well, you're going after Greenwald for "jumping ship" when Iraq became a clusterfuck
Scootaloo
May 2014
#6
It's cool because those others aren't saying bad things about daddy ...er .. I mean Barack Obama.
GoneFishin
May 2014
#90
Oh my God. You win the Internet. That was a sorely needed smack on the ass that was just too precise
Number23
May 2014
#52
Yes, it does. Greenwald's very naughty for being against the war after he was for it.
Scootaloo
May 2014
#26
You seem desperate to avoid a topic of ethical standards and internal consistency
Scootaloo
May 2014
#33
Stop trying to deflect from the OP. This is all about an inability to stomach criticism of Greenwald
ProSense
May 2014
#78
Exactly. Poor Greenwald can't take it and neither can his fans. But, they're right there
Cha
May 2014
#121
And in 2002. And in 2003. Including unwavering support for the Patriot Act.
OilemFirchen
May 2014
#125
The obsessive trashing of Greenwald is impressive, though not in a good way.
Comrade Grumpy
May 2014
#21
Are you trying to interject sense in this hate swarm? Seems like at least two per day.
rhett o rick
May 2014
#39
They will continue to disparage Greenwald and Snowden until the next victim comes along.
rhett o rick
May 2014
#129
The only thing "twisted" is trying to defend your leave-Greenwald-alone "rationalization"
ProSense
May 2014
#59
Prosense, you are responding to someone using a Manny Goldstein push poll as "proof" of...
Number23
May 2014
#56
The only "argument" more bizarre is the insistence that somehow, the Pulitzer win is troubling
Number23
May 2014
#88
Really?? I'll give it a go... 100% of the people sitting in my chair right now think that poll is
Number23
May 2014
#81
LOL, when I saw that poll in the post, I laughed so hard, I swear I almost broke a rib!
Spazito
May 2014
#91
You are right, laughter is a gift and on DU, at times, it is a gift that just keeps on giving!
Spazito
May 2014
#104
That puts him a lot of steps ahead of Hillary and Kerry and the other politicians who voted for it.
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2014
#61
Well it is much better than the OP you rec'd which was a response to mine
Cali_Democrat
May 2014
#89
Yup. The post you rec'd and referred to as "accurate" is now non-existent...
Cali_Democrat
May 2014
#117
So if what Glenn Greenwald thinks about a subject is critical to which side you fall on,
GoneFishin
May 2014
#87
I don't care if he is a turd from Satan's spawn's ass. Keeping on reporting on the NSA Glenn.
GoneFishin
May 2014
#95
Funny, really, you're using a carefully limited excerpt from his book titled,
scarletwoman
May 2014
#101