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In reply to the discussion: Jenny McCarthy does a major CYA... [View all]alp227
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So much wrong with this post I can't even begin. Let's start with this one sentence from DU TOS: "Democratic Underground is not intended to be a platform for kooks and crackpots peddling paranoid fantasies with little or no basis in fact."
Sure, DU should discuss a wide range of views instead of knee-jerk censoring everything objectionable, but as DU TOS say, "discussions cannot stray too far into Crazyland (eg: chemtrails, black helicopters, 9/11 death rays or holograms..." Science has done enough research to the point where vaccine hysteria is in the same company as black helicopters or Bigfoot sightings; in fact Andrew Wakefield's formerly groundbreaking study that caused all the hysteria was retracted, and Wakefield was disgraced enough to lose his medical license.
I lack the time to do a totally comprehensive debunking of all info posted here, but I can guide you to understand that several sites linked here are of extremely low credibility or promote conspiracy theory, and should generally not be used as sources on DU (think TheBlaze.com or Infowars for instance).
- http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/ - publishes conspiracy theory garbage despite claiming to support "progressive" causes. For instance, "There is presently a massive conspiracy designed to separate you from your children and give the government complete control over your children." http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/04/30/the-obama-youth-movement-the-seizing-of-american-children/ Also, this site seems to publish anti-Semitic POV's. http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/03/11/confrontation-between-rothschild-and-vladimir-putin/
- Natural News promotes all sorts of pseudoscience whether in medicine or also in politics, including Sandy Hook denial (I'm not kidding, that website seriously argues the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting was a HOAX.) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews#Non-medical_conspiracy_theories
- Mercola is also a similarly cranky webshite. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mercola
- http://thecommonsenseshow.com/ seems to be a right wing libertarian site. Its site menu includes "Agenda 21" and "Martial Law" - in other words, showing the website to be a bunch of bullpucky. This website also asserts that Americans are becoming "Chinese property", another batshit & possibly racist conspiracy theory on the level of "Israel controls the US government". The website also talks about "the UN's plans to seize the Internet".
- Sherri Tenpenny, whose video is linked here, is a quack with questionable credentials: http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/damned-lies-and-idiots/
Now, I know some of you are gonna say, "well just put this in a reply!" and vote "LEAVE IT ALONE". But as I've taken the time to show you, a lot of these websites are so loony and off the rails that the heavy linking of those sites on DU is disruptive, rude, and over-the-top, by giving credence to paranoid fantasies with extremely limited basis in reality. We must realize that DU is not an "anything goes" forum and understand that there is a reason why DU ToS forbid certain ideas outta Crazyland.
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Dr. Dalbergueâs story seems awfully like Dr. Harperâs. Except for the small fact that I can find no evidence that he ever worked for Merck (as opposed to Dr. Harper, who actually did, though not quite in the role she and the antivaccine world claimed). As far as I was able to uncover through sources and background checks, Dr. Dalbergue was the Directeur Medicale (Medical Director) of a drug distributor, Martin
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For real. She might have influence, but nobody but me and my wife and my doctor have
Ed Suspicious
May 2014
#11
PROTIP: NaturalNews is a CT website and not a credible source by a wide margin.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#234
Did you forget Sarah Palin's assertion that a mother told her her daughter became "retarded" from...
Hekate
May 2014
#254
Any doctor, any scientist, any rational person knows you can't compare any animal anatomy
joeybee12
May 2014
#122
Yeah, I did. They all circle right back to RFK's "Deadly Immunity". (Imagine that.)
Liberal Veteran
May 2014
#167
Good old Mercurachrome and Merthiolate. Mom applied it freely to our scrapes in the 1950s - '60s.
Hekate
May 2014
#255
I will patiently wait for actual proof that there is a link between vaccines and autism
wercal
May 2014
#108
That's like saying blindness and dementia is caused by not getting syphilis.
Liberal Veteran
May 2014
#137
Even if what you say is factual (and a study of 2.9 million cases says otherwise)....
Liberal Veteran
May 2014
#146
So Here Are Some Things You Need To Know About Vaccines and Autism (the FACTS)
octoberlib
May 2014
#336
So, you want me to go ahead and get chicken pox to expose other people to it to boost
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#151
Well, truth to tell...seeing a mild case of shingles is probably a bad benchmark for decision making
Liberal Veteran
May 2014
#190
"In all likelihood the truth about vaccines is that they are both good and bad. "
mzmolly
May 2014
#346
She was a grieving mother in a period when mercury was still used in childhood vaccines.
pnwmom
May 2014
#32
Except it wasn't. Her concerns didn't begin until 2005. Thimerosal was removed by 2001.
tclambert
May 2014
#56
The controversy was still going on, but the thimerosal was long gone by the time she joined in
tclambert
May 2014
#67
I can say that she wasn't "malicious" or an "idiot" for worrying that her son had gotten multiple
pnwmom
May 2014
#68
The not malicious part I am willing to concede. But there's a strong argument for idiot.
tclambert
May 2014
#73
Are all the researchers who were studying the issue after 2005 also idiots, or just McCarthy,
pnwmom
May 2014
#74
Well, unfortunately, in a sense they are right: CIA assets disguised themselves as MSF workers
Recursion
May 2014
#288
Yeah and the scarey thing is that I think there is mercury inside all flu shots,
truedelphi
May 2014
#116
The fact that it could be easily dispensed with and put in single use vials demonstrates
pnwmom
May 2014
#85
It's funny that moms were putting thimerosal on open wounds for decades....
Liberal Veteran
May 2014
#62
And again you show that you understand nothing about chemistry, biology and physiology.
HuckleB
May 2014
#320
Except that doing so saves huge numbers of lives and apparently that just
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#275
Except that children have been sickened, endangered, and in some cases died from her
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#174
So we aren't allowed to say Jenny McCarthy's moronic ideas are deadly?
Liberal Veteran
May 2014
#125
This is obviously some strange usage of the word "bullying" that I hadn't previously been aware of.
Liberal Veteran
May 2014
#155
She's not the only one. There's a lot of study done which points to vaccines not being everything
DesertDiamond
May 2014
#15
Actually, other researchers who mirrored Wakefield's study have seen their work accepted.
truedelphi
May 2014
#131
For your next trick, why don't you tell us what you think about global warming.
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#276
Yes, anyone who doesn't agree is labeled a "quack." To me, "quackery" is "medicine" that doesn't
DesertDiamond
May 2014
#171
Here is where you need to ask a few questions, and think long and ahrd about the answers:
truedelphi
May 2014
#221
Taking medical advice from a minor celebrity is the real problem. Her opinion is just an opinion.
tridim
May 2014
#18
Can you point to even a single legitmiate study demonstrating that vaccines cause autism?
Orrex
May 2014
#53
On-time Vaccine Receipt in the First Year Does Not Adversely Affect Neuropsychological Outcomes
HuckleB
May 2014
#79
Chakaconcarne, I can tell you that having been in the medical industry I did see cases where autism
DesertDiamond
May 2014
#83
So basically your anecdotes trump clinical studies? Has there been any demonstrated...
Humanist_Activist
May 2014
#86
Yes, there have been chronological links. As in, the baby is vaccinated, then quickly afterward
DesertDiamond
May 2014
#164
Nobody is saying there is a link except crackpots, quacks and conspiracy nuts.
Humanist_Activist
May 2014
#177
As a medical transcriptioinist, I had a bird's eye view. I transcribed reports about these cases.
DesertDiamond
May 2014
#169
It isn't just Big Media, it's the actual scientists and health care professionals...
HuckleB
May 2014
#231
You're Actually Siting the Same Rep Dan Burton Who Shot a Watermelon with a Pistol
PopSixSquish
May 2014
#325
So when your appendix ruptures, you just wait and let it sort itself out on its own?
Orrex
May 2014
#227
I honestly don't understand why some conspiracy theory nonsense gets sent to the dungeon.
HuckleB
May 2014
#198
Well she has a kid who has autism .. so now she's an expert. I have a sister who has
YOHABLO
May 2014
#196
You've been debunked, and you know it, as I'm the only one who has shown any actual argument.
HuckleB
May 2014
#244
People who take medical advice from actors bear some of the blame, I think (nt)
Recursion
May 2014
#283
I don't understand...what is she trying to protect by falsely backtracking?
TeacherB87
May 2014
#301
As long as no one says anything bad about Chris Hardwick and Carmen Electra I'm fine
Bombtrack
May 2014
#339