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Major Nikon

(36,925 posts)
71. It's not the only thing the employer could do
Sat May 10, 2014, 09:44 AM
May 2014

Not following prescribed procedures can be the employee's fault if it's an isolated incident, but these situations are quite rare when the employer establishes a culture of safety that ingrains these things into their employees. I work in the same environment you are describing as a mid level manager, and I can't imagine an employee of ours so flagrantly disregarding basic safety procedures. I have no idea what it's like where you work. If the attitude of the company is, oh well he was trained and had PPE, but he didn't use them so we fired him, problem solved, they are simply insuring more incidents like these will continue to occur. They should be looking into what the safety culture is like that leads employees to disregard the procedures in the first place. Another question I would have is was the circuit locked out and tagged out as it should have been and was was the control of the key(s) to unlock it?

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Sacrificed to the God Profit. Scuba May 2014 #1
The situation isn't that simple badtoworse May 2014 #2
Blame the victim. Nice. Scuba May 2014 #3
Sorry, but many times that is the reality of an accident. badtoworse May 2014 #4
Data ... Scuba May 2014 #10
+1! Well done, Scuba! Enthusiast May 2014 #14
There it is. Starry Messenger May 2014 #17
Data is just that - data. Without analysis,it provides no information about the causes of accidents badtoworse May 2014 #20
The analysis is that under-regulated businesses are killing 150 American workers each day. Scuba May 2014 #21
So how many deaths were caused by the company's negligence and how many by the worker's? badtoworse May 2014 #27
Who said anything about more regulations? Not me. Scuba May 2014 #30
You used the term "under-regulated". What does that imply? badtoworse May 2014 #39
Not enough inspectors to regulate.. Scuba May 2014 #40
Fair enough badtoworse May 2014 #41
Worker negligence IS the company's negligence. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #33
I fully agree with that and have seen that happen on several occasions. badtoworse May 2014 #35
You started with the broad brush first, blaming workers Fumesucker May 2014 #34
That is not true badtoworse May 2014 #37
Which is still the employer's fault Major Nikon May 2014 #64
A good HASP is more than just handing out PPE badtoworse May 2014 #67
It's not the only thing the employer could do Major Nikon May 2014 #71
The company and plant in question actually has a very good safety record badtoworse May 2014 #72
I'm not in the power business Major Nikon May 2014 #77
Sometimes the victim is to blame for workplace accidents.. pipoman May 2014 #5
Sometimes being the key word here. Enthusiast May 2014 #15
The practice of pretending pipoman May 2014 #36
I didn't say all or even most either. I worked in manufacturing so I know all about accidents. Enthusiast May 2014 #57
You represent "the workers of America" eh? lol pipoman May 2014 #63
It's often true pintobean May 2014 #9
You're right. badtoworse May 2014 #22
I agree. My experience is that it's a mixed bag. Jim Lane May 2014 #65
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False choice. Scuba May 2014 #8
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Better regulation. Scuba May 2014 #13
While I Generally Agree. . . ProfessorGAC May 2014 #26
Who's arguing against capitalism? Not me. Scuba May 2014 #29
I don't think she said that worker death is a natural consequence of capitalism. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #31
See what is going on here? Enthusiast May 2014 #16
Yes, we have DU members defending unregulated businesses killing American workers. Scuba May 2014 #19
No we don't. pintobean May 2014 #24
Funny that we both recognized it right away. Enthusiast May 2014 #58
There are a lot more than 2 people pintobean May 2014 #61
Yes, because of no one works then no one dies! Brilliant!!! nt Logical May 2014 #68
So you're saying jobs can't be made safer? Scuba May 2014 #69
Cost vs. benefits is a reality you know? So you think you can get to the point where no one dies.... Logical May 2014 #73
No, I don't think zero deaths is the goal. But work can be made much safer if .... Scuba May 2014 #74
At the power companies where I have worked, zero deaths and zero injuries are very much the goal. badtoworse May 2014 #75
Good. Sadly, energy is one of the most deadly industries. Scuba May 2014 #76
Some jobs are pretty risky; oil related or mining jobs or commercial fishing for example el_bryanto May 2014 #6
The federal government, through a simple and small regulatory change made crab fishing 98% safer. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #25
"The state with the highest fatality rate in 2012 was..." ProSense May 2014 #42
I read it. I'm not sure what your point is. nt el_bryanto May 2014 #43
Sorry, I should have said that snip confirms the point you made. n/t ProSense May 2014 #50
Driving remains the deadliest thing people do for money Recursion May 2014 #81
No matter how much PPE and training is provided or OSHA Inspectors on site Exposethefrauds May 2014 #12
The fact is the great majority of occupational accidents are preventable. baldguy May 2014 #18
Worker death is never his own fault. When you're on the job, you're doing what the boss instructs. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #28
BS. I know of, have seen and have prevented accidents due to worker stupidity Exposethefrauds May 2014 #38
I recently bought a battery charger. It is a piece of shit. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #47
Why are you on DU with an attitude like this? Enthusiast May 2014 #59
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Workers who cut corners are doing it to save time and expense. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #49
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Or they're lazy, or it's more fun to do it wrong jmowreader May 2014 #62
20 years in the sign industry has taught me otherwise. Throd May 2014 #45
If the boss didn't fire the guy and use it as an opportunity to improve safety procedures... lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #48
Not if the second incident is just plain ol' stupidity too. Throd May 2014 #51
I'm curious. Have you ever actually worked in a dangerous environment? badtoworse May 2014 #52
Never?? Lurker Deluxe May 2014 #56
If he has five beers and builds a faulty car... lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #60
The legal principle is called "respondeat superior" Jim Lane May 2014 #66
nope Lurker Deluxe May 2014 #70
But Benghazi. n/t Orsino May 2014 #23
We don't need no stinking regulations WhiteTara May 2014 #32
About as ignorant a comment on worker safety as I've ever seen. badtoworse May 2014 #46
Perhaps you missed the sarcasm thingie WhiteTara May 2014 #53
OK, but I'm still unsure what you really think about the issue. badtoworse May 2014 #54
I installed an outdoor GFI at my father's house. meaculpa2011 May 2014 #78
That hedge clipper would have been thrown out years ago at any of my plants badtoworse May 2014 #79
I'm just as guilty. meaculpa2011 May 2014 #80
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