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TM99

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6. There are quite a few critiques in academia
Sat May 10, 2014, 11:52 AM
May 2014

with regards to 'privilege' theories. Some are from other sociologists. Some are from philosophers and psychologists. Some are Marxists.

One of the most prominent critics whose argument is actually the same as the OP (though of course in much greater depth and discussion) is the African American philosopher Lewis Gordon. He has written extensively on W.E.B. Du Bois in particular who is considered the 'source' for the theory of 'white privilege'.

You are entitled to accept the theory but there are others that do not. They also find that the theory is counter-productive to political movements seeking civil rights for all.

This blog is about two years old, however, it is one example of a well-reasoned argument against privilege theory and its failure to address real change:

http://blackorchidcollective.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/guest-post-privilege-politics/

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Very well stated. TM99 May 2014 #1
I think white, male, etc "privilege" is the EASE with which those rights are honored. ret5hd May 2014 #2
How to quantify this privilege? TM99 May 2014 #4
Do you necessarily have to quantify to acknowledge the existence??? ret5hd May 2014 #7
Yes. TM99 May 2014 #10
your definitions are off. when sociologists refer to privilege- is not county clubs, ladies night bettyellen May 2014 #3
There are quite a few critiques in academia TM99 May 2014 #6
there are quite a few critiques in academia on everything, LOL. sorry, but if you studied sociology bettyellen May 2014 #9
Laugh if you want TM99 May 2014 #11
Well, the enhanced specificity of such terms as bigotry vs racism comes in handy I think.... bettyellen May 2014 #14
I am sorry TM99 May 2014 #15
I wasn't talking about sweeping rights under the rug, try again? bettyellen May 2014 #16
first, condescending... now snark... ProdigalJunkMail May 2014 #18
And here it comes. TM99 May 2014 #20
betty was the person to whom I was speaking... ProdigalJunkMail May 2014 #22
Oops! TM99 May 2014 #25
it is very difficult on my mobile device to see ProdigalJunkMail May 2014 #27
Ha ha, He was talking about me, but I am sure you'll agree we've been having a fairly civil bettyellen May 2014 #23
go back and look at your posts... ProdigalJunkMail May 2014 #26
LOL, sorry if you can't whip us into a frenzy of hatred. Try again elsewhere maybe? bettyellen May 2014 #32
Here's what you wrote. TM99 May 2014 #19
Sorry, your interpetation threw me- but I see the typo that did it. bettyellen May 2014 #21
Not a problem. TM99 May 2014 #24
I do think you are spot on with the lack of empathy part, but not entirley with the lazy thinking bettyellen May 2014 #31
I don't disagree TM99 May 2014 #33
Yeah, the derailing thing is such a distraction here, and it would be awesome if we could get past bettyellen May 2014 #34
You are welcome. TM99 May 2014 #37
How those things are defined can lead to enormous arguments ismnotwasm May 2014 #28
Thank you for that essay you linked to. Everyone in this discussion should read it. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #35
You are welcome. TM99 May 2014 #38
Privilege is a word that has meaning. It cannot be redefined at will for convenience btrflykng9 May 2014 #36
words have more than one meaning, depending on context. always have! the rest is all bettyellen May 2014 #39
Least I don't have to check with my college professors first to know what to think n/t btrflykng9 May 2014 #40
or actually learn anything! No, you can't be forced to do either, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #41
Rights are enforced legally, privilege is enforced culturally. NuclearDem May 2014 #5
Interesting, though somewhat academic quinnox May 2014 #8
Civil rights are for everyone, privilege is given only to select people or groups Major Nikon May 2014 #12
nice and concise Supersedeas May 2014 #45
Privelage can be an incredibly subjective standard. rrneck May 2014 #13
"Privilege" makes sense in discussing point of view. DirkGently May 2014 #17
Privilege and "privileges" are two entirely different things. Zenlitened May 2014 #29
I disagree ismnotwasm May 2014 #30
fwiw - WfE is a feminist woman RainDog May 2014 #42
There's just as much reason to assume it's because of your gender as race in that scenario Major Nikon May 2014 #44
Poster Boy for Privilege Dirty Socialist May 2014 #43
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