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NutmegYankee

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85. All of the hate was sparked by New Jersey acting stupidly.

Sat May 10, 2014, 03:14 PM

May 2014

That state passed a law that would force all guns sold to be smart guns within three years of the first one going on the market. So far the only smart gun is a grossly overpriced target pistol. People there were facing a defacto end of all gun sales in the state and an unknown status for all existing firearms. The stupidity of that law boggles the mind. The fanatical response of gun groups is even worse, with the threats being really despicable. The dumb law of one state isn't this woman's (designer of smart gun) fault. I have no issue with smart guns being offered for sale. The problem is some people will no doubt interfere with the free choice in that market and limit the product selection by law. And I'm not sure how that will get resolved.

My specific concern for myself is that I own antique firearms that cannot be converted to use such a technology. What happens to those who collect or own antiques if it is mandated to be back fit? And who pays for it?

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Why the NRA is more monstrous than you think [View all] radiclib May 2014 OP

I'll tell you why Travis_0004 May 2014 #1

I agree, still no reason to insult and threaten the inventor. nt Logical May 2014 #3

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #9

Why not let people who want to buy them, buy them? Crunchy Frog May 2014 #15

It is pretty ironic, isn't it Electric Monk May 2014 #17

"That one we infringed." ROFL! ( n/t ) Make7 May 2014 #20

It is politicians like Ed Markey and S.2068 that are provoking an anti-smart gun backlash hack89 May 2014 #25

That reminds me, I need to make a donation to Markey XRubicon May 2014 #33

Have you also sent money to Bloomberg? Nt hack89 May 2014 #35

No he doesn't need money. XRubicon May 2014 #36

Besides, Bloomberg intends to go after incumbent Dems. Nt hack89 May 2014 #37

I'm sure that will make your side smile XRubicon May 2014 #38

Why? I support Dems pro- gun or not hack89 May 2014 #40

If there is no threat from the Democratic party then why do you react like XRubicon May 2014 #44

Just pushing back at the never ending attempts to minimize and smear pro-gun Dems hack89 May 2014 #45

When did the police officer bull shit upaloopa May 2014 #27

If, and I did say if, smart guns are mandated by law hack89 May 2014 #42

wow, i heard that same response on another thread...except it was 10 years...nice nra talking point spanone May 2014 #96

Larry Pratt is not NRA; he has his own group Gun Owners of America aikoaiko May 2014 #2

LOL, that is really scary. nt Logical May 2014 #4

I'd say more than a notch... sarisataka May 2014 #12

Wow, thanks for the info! nt Logical May 2014 #14

Gun Owners of America make the NRA look liberal. .... spin May 2014 #34

Good points.....I hate the NRA and they are mostly GOP idiots..... Logical May 2014 #43

I know some of their instructors and they are excellent. (n/t) spin May 2014 #46

To address your point... aikoaiko May 2014 #5

No proof it is because of more people carrying guns. But it is proof.... Logical May 2014 #6

I should have been more clear because I agree with you. aikoaiko May 2014 #7

Very true. nt Logical May 2014 #13

You pretty much hit the nail square on the head rustydog May 2014 #8

I disagree strongly. linuxman May 2014 #10

Not a fan of the NRA Crepuscular May 2014 #11

By your standard the NRA is a colossal failure hack89 May 2014 #16

Oh, lord... krispos42 May 2014 #18

Suppose the bad guys had smart guns also upaloopa May 2014 #28

Culture warriors seem to savor the possibility of violence. Eleanors38 May 2014 #48

Correct. The NRA is perfectly happy with our sky-high homicide rates, and does not want us to get DanTex May 2014 #19

Our homicade rate is at a 4 decade low. Travis_0004 May 2014 #23

We are about 3-4 times higher than other advanced democracies. DanTex May 2014 #26

How low might it go without a bunch of yahoos promoting guns and impeding Hoyt May 2014 #29

Ah, Dan. Do you always see RW GOPers... Eleanors38 May 2014 #49

I see RWers where there are RWers. DanTex May 2014 #51

What "RW positions" do you support? Eleanors38 May 2014 #60

The fear of being the victims of a culture war is what is driving gun sales... krispos42 May 2014 #50

Funny, I only see right-wingers talking about "culture war" when it comes to guns. DanTex May 2014 #52

Oh, so it was some other Hillary Clinton that spoke four days ago? krispos42 May 2014 #95

Hmm, doesn't seem to be anything about a "culture war". DanTex May 2014 #97

Golly---you mean all of this is the gun control side's fault? Imagine my lack of surprise. Paladin May 2014 #54

Don't you mean "our record low homicide rates make the NRA sad"? (nt) Recursion May 2014 #91

Again with the "slavery means Jim Crow is great" argument. DanTex May 2014 #94

I would never want to own one for self defense oneofthe99 May 2014 #21

Larry Pratt has nothing to do with the NRA, he has his own rival organization. 951-Riverside May 2014 #22

My biggest issue with the smart gun is it destroys concealed carry. dilby May 2014 #24

It's really not that difficult to spot most yahoos that tote and are Hoyt May 2014 #30

Actually you would be surprised. dilby May 2014 #31

Most women toters are not as callous, bigoted and into guns as men. Hoyt May 2014 #32

I guess, but if I was raped twice and stabbed 17 times I probably would carry like her too. dilby May 2014 #56

Sounds like you carry now and haven't had anything like that happen to you. Women have more reason Hoyt May 2014 #57

Actually I don't carry at all, never felt the need for it. dilby May 2014 #59

Why do you assume none of these men vote Democrat oneofthe99 May 2014 #61

Pretty obvious to me. Why do you assume - now that Dixiecrats have folded - that bigoted gun lovers Hoyt May 2014 #62

I can't just look at a person and know how he votes oneofthe99 May 2014 #64

Context means a lot. Kerry isn't "marching" with a racist or waving a flag symbolic of hatred. Hoyt May 2014 #66

You like to judge books by their cover , I don't live my life like that. oneofthe99 May 2014 #70

A pistol on a hip is a dead give away in vast majority of cases. Hoyt May 2014 #71

Come on, get real. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #63

Democrats also hunt and wear camo oneofthe99 May 2014 #65

Again, shooting game is different from preparing to shoot people. Hoyt May 2014 #67

project much? SQUEE May 2014 #72

I hunted for years. I know what honest-to-God hunters look like. Paladin May 2014 #69

+1000000 Hoyt May 2014 #73

Why would the pro-hunting side of DU savage Kerry? NutmegYankee May 2014 #75

There's a huge difference between "pro-hunting" and "pro-gun." Paladin May 2014 #81

There are a lot of distinctions that have to be made. NutmegYankee May 2014 #82

Take a look at the second photo under post 57. Paladin May 2014 #84

No, I'm definitely not part of that crowd. NutmegYankee May 2014 #86

I call BS on another Hoyt Super Power.I'll be in Georgia soon, SQUEE May 2014 #58

He doesn't believe liberal gun owners exist. NutmegYankee May 2014 #74

I can understand a liberal owning a gun or two; but not toting in public; accumulating, promoting; Hoyt May 2014 #76

LOL! Cognitive Dissonance NutmegYankee May 2014 #77

Nope, thinking one needs a gun in their pants while walking around is right wing IMO. Hoyt May 2014 #78

Gun ownership does not equal walking around with a gun in the pants. NutmegYankee May 2014 #79

Then, it doesn't sound like you are a Zimmerman type. Many are, however. Hoyt May 2014 #80

Go ahead and make them. MicaelS May 2014 #39

Sounds so frightening. I guess the Bundy Ranch militia is right. Hoyt May 2014 #41

Diversify your hate: Pratt heads the GOA... Eleanors38 May 2014 #47

I don't think the NRA is the problem. Laelth May 2014 #53

That might be a false perception. Many women own and use firearms for hunting, target shooting ... spin May 2014 #87

Kick! Heidi May 2014 #55

How smart? Calista241 May 2014 #68

I'm a gun owner and strong supporter of the Second Amendment. ... spin May 2014 #83

All of the hate was sparked by New Jersey acting stupidly. NutmegYankee May 2014 #85

The solution to those who live in states like New Jersey is to vote out politicians who ... spin May 2014 #89

Fixing a clumsy piece of legislation is a much better alternative..... Paladin May 2014 #90

We get lost in the fighting bewteen the extremes on both sides. NutmegYankee May 2014 #92

Agreed. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #93

and their only solution is �buy more guns so you can shoot back at the people and situations MisterP May 2014 #88