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chknltl

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36. The irony of 'idiots'
Sat May 10, 2014, 04:01 PM
May 2014

A few years back Thom Hartmann delved into the etymology of the word 'idiot'. I believe Thom claimed the word's origin was ancient Greek and it described a person unconcerned with public affairs. If I recall accurately he further said the word was not intended as a derogatory it simply described someone who had yet to attain a level of education needed to participate in local civic matters.

I have recently looked the word up myself and found this bit which supports what I heard Thom Hartmann say:

An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.[6] Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education.[6] In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education (although citizenship was also largely hereditary). "Idiot" originally referred to "layman, person lacking professional skill", "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning". Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), was considered dishonorable. "Idiots" were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

And a bit more here: ἰδιώτης • (idiōtēs) (genitive ἰδιώτου ) m, first declension
1.a private person, one not engaged in public affairs
2.(adjectival use) private, homely
3.commoner, plebeian
4.uneducated person, layman, amateur
5.one who is not in the know, an outsider
6.an ignorant person, idiot
7.one who is awkward, clumsy
8.(in the plural) one's countrymen

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%B0%CE%B4%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82#Ancient_Greek

The irony as I see it is that one could today rightfully attach the label of idiot to those who lack the proper education to vote in their and their fellow citizens best interests. A further irony is in that when we call fellow DUers who refuse to vote 'idiots', we might not be far off on calling them exactly what those ancient Greeks would have called them.

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I'm a fan of word origins / history as well. pinto May 2014 #1
Yup. Me too. My mother tells me that MineralMan May 2014 #4
Word origins are fascinating LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #2
I agree, and the more you learn about them, MineralMan May 2014 #6
A friend of mine who does woodwork LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #9
Nice. It's fun to know words, and useful, too. MineralMan May 2014 #13
Not an etymologist, by any means, but I enjoy crosswords... Wounded Bear May 2014 #3
I did a google search on susurration, and found MineralMan May 2014 #5
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King Canute / Cnut the Great gave rise to a golden oldie dipsydoodle May 2014 #8
There are a lot of other sources. Igel May 2014 #10
There are, indeed. MineralMan May 2014 #11
Here's a word that is interesting (and relevant to this site)... YoungDemCA May 2014 #12
Have you ever wondered why so many words in our dictionaries originate from Ceylon? Brother Buzz May 2014 #14
Cool. I've heard of it, but haven't yet read it. MineralMan May 2014 #15
Just ordered a used copy on Amazon. MineralMan May 2014 #17
Cool beans. It's a good read, you won't be disappointed Brother Buzz May 2014 #25
I'm sort of off paper books these days, really. MineralMan May 2014 #26
Here are some really good ones my aunt sent me years ago. OregonBlue May 2014 #16
Nice. I did not know the threshold one. MineralMan May 2014 #18
More fun ones at the link. OregonBlue May 2014 #44
The "threshold" explanation sounds dubious muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #49
All the time. You might enjoy this. cali May 2014 #19
Absolutely. Every time you learn one thing, you find more things MineralMan May 2014 #21
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I'm going to settle for my compact edition. MineralMan May 2014 #23
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I'm glad I could help! MineralMan May 2014 #24
I have a half-assed knowledge of the Scand. languages & German, Jackpine Radical May 2014 #27
Cool. Linguistics is a logical extension of etymology MineralMan May 2014 #31
I took a course in Word Origins (that was what it was called, instead of etymology) when I was Louisiana1976 May 2014 #33
You might enjoy the book, "The Professor and the Madman." It's the story rhett o rick May 2014 #28
Someone mentioned that upthread. I've already ordered a copy. MineralMan May 2014 #29
Define please: real dictionary? OldEurope May 2014 #34
I didnt intend to start an argument. Read the book. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #43
I can't seem to find it now but gvstn May 2014 #30
Boo-boo Android3.14 May 2014 #32
It's in there, at the link in the OP. MineralMan May 2014 #35
The irony of 'idiots' chknltl May 2014 #36
You came from tomorrow to post this? I never know what day it is either. lol nt Mnemosyne May 2014 #37
One of my favorite words... 3catwoman3 May 2014 #38
have you ever read the dictionary? (riffing on your encyclopedia thread). I love words and etymology uppityperson May 2014 #39
I never really read dictionaries, but i liked opening MineralMan May 2014 #42
There is only one proper source for English etymology: Nevernose May 2014 #40
MineralMan, if you're interested... kag May 2014 #41
Further south the settlers came up with "Wyomissing." malthaussen May 2014 #46
Todays word to explore at our house was a southernism, "whompy-jawwed".... Rowdyboy May 2014 #45
Search for "agony" and check the third entry down the list. Orrex May 2014 #47
Agony bags. That's funny. MineralMan May 2014 #48
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