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De Leonist

(225 posts)
20. Only State Socialism
Sun May 11, 2014, 12:16 AM
May 2014

While it is true the Soviet Union certainly failed, North Korea is a dictatorial clusterfuck, and China has begun reverting to Capitalism. All these countries really prove is that Socialism is not very good as a politically centralized Authoritarian system. There are plenty of Socialist Approaches to governance and economics that do not advocate Total State Ownership. One approach that I particularly find interesting is Participatory Economics otherwise known as PARECON. Google it and you'll see what I mean.

Also there is no such thing as Pure Socialism. The Core of Socialism is the Socialization ,or as I've heard some term it the Communalization, of the means of production, that's it. There are many Socialists who would be more than willing to keep Market structures intact just as long as the workers (or ,again, the community) controlled the means of production through worker owned co-operatives. My advocacy against markets is simply because I think they are too inefficient to provide for human needs.

Maybe you ought to widen your knowledge of Socialism beyond just want you were told in History class about the Soviet Union.

Lastly, Whether or not Socialism is comes after Capitalism if you honestly think we can really continue with the things are and not dig ourselves into worse circumstances you are sadly mistaken

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It's not just about energy. De Leonist May 2014 #4
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Anti-USSR De Leonist May 2014 #17
You'll never convince a majority of the US that pure socialism is the answer. MohRokTah May 2014 #19
Only State Socialism De Leonist May 2014 #20
Cooperatives are fine in their place. MohRokTah May 2014 #24
"It has to be a free market economy" - TBF May 2014 #45
That is a lasisez faire market. MohRokTah May 2014 #47
Nonsense! cer7711 May 2014 #34
I expect to see short-term blowout patches that preserve the existing power structure starroute May 2014 #5
Good luck with preserving that existing power structure... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #35
That's why I said short-term blowout patches starroute May 2014 #37
I was so pissed off the other day yeoman6987 May 2014 #31
Which system would you propose? oneofthe99 May 2014 #2
Target the enemies and attack ...and stop fighting against ourselves. L0oniX May 2014 #3
Well, they've certainly got us dancing to their tune. Maedhros May 2014 #13
Yeah, Democracy and Capitalism are the WORST SYSTEMS POSSIBLE!!! MohRokTah May 2014 #6
Democracy Yes, Capitalism No De Leonist May 2014 #11
Not willing to try 'em. MohRokTah May 2014 #18
That is because your operating under a false assumption. De Leonist May 2014 #21
I reject the premise of your argument. eom MohRokTah May 2014 #22
Fair Enough De Leonist May 2014 #25
Goes back to Usenet. MohRokTah May 2014 #26
Before my time than De Leonist May 2014 #28
I go back to the days of ARPANET MohRokTah May 2014 #29
Don't feel alone. House of Roberts May 2014 #33
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Scroogilistic Crapitalism Must Die! cer7711 May 2014 #9
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Seriesly? BrotherIvan May 2014 #38
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oldie but good... handmade34 May 2014 #51
The sooner we kill ourselves off the sooner Earth will fix herself rickyhall May 2014 #14
The earth will fix itself regardless Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #16
But will eventually be destroyed by our dying sun Bonx May 2014 #42
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don't get me wrong.... mike_c May 2014 #41
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I'm aware of that as well. De Leonist May 2014 #48
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