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nomorenomore08

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64. "...making an honest attempt to consider everyone's personal experiences and such."

Mon May 12, 2014, 05:02 AM

May 2014

You may do so, within your own thought processes - I obviously can't read your mind - but it doesn't translate to the screen, because your vehement rejection of a simple phrase and concept with plenty of real-world evidence to back it up, suggests that you really do consider your own PoV paramount above all else. Self-centeredness is nothing to be ashamed of, on its own - it's merely being human - but your insistence upon your own framing, even when others have pointed out the flaws in it, frankly tells me that you're not as good of a listener as you'd like to think you are.

"...they believe that it's all about THEM and how THEY feel(as individuals, that is)."

This may be true, but I would still tend to trust the reliability of a person of color speaking on racism, over that of a white person. Because I know as a white person myself that I'm hardly an expert on racial issues, not having experienced systemic racism firsthand myself.

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It Continues To Amaze Me, Ma'am, That People Have Trouble With This.... The Magistrate May 2014 #1

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It's willful I think MattBaggins May 2014 #240

Defintely BainsBane May 2014 #255

How dare you call me that! Zenlitened May 2014 #2

Actually, that showed up much later. But thanks for being the first... So to speak. ;) freshwest May 2014 #189

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Just for that... M0rpheus May 2014 #142

OK that is awesome. nt redqueen May 2014 #146

Wow! Who knew the Cybermen could dance? A vast improvement in the genre, thanks! n/t freshwest May 2014 #190

You should see how the Ood bust a move, then! M0rpheus May 2014 #243

Very, very well put!! alittlelark May 2014 #4

Brava! sheshe2 May 2014 #6

I had a similar experience BainsBane May 2014 #12

I'm still angry betsuni May 2014 #16

kick & recommended. William769 May 2014 #7

I am reminded once again about that Cornel West conversation ... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #8

I expect a lot of times the cops aren't aware they are profiling BainsBane May 2014 #10

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Jesus. BainsBane May 2014 #22

"Black men are by nature criminals." Sadly, I think much of the downplaying of police profiling etc. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 May 2014 #34

I actually didn't read that particular post because it got deleted before I could see it. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #35

Whoops. My mistake. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #37

How do you know what was in that post? BainsBane May 2014 #38

I honestly assumed that NMNM08 had actually taken a quote from the troll. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #41

+1, they're not aware... They are trained to think less of blacks and Hispanics uponit7771 May 2014 #29

They are very much aware aware of what they are doing. giftedgirl77 May 2014 #95

The semi-conscious level is exactly why privilege discussions are spot on. Gormy Cuss May 2014 #126

They get so defensive betsuni May 2014 #9

I really wish you'd find the time to actually learn what's going on around here, TBH. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #36

Whatever, Dad. betsuni May 2014 #69

You are a piece of work BainsBane May 2014 #81

"I've never in my life encountered anyone so unable to see outside of himself." And with that...... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #85

You did it. bravenak May 2014 #90

+10000000000 redqueen May 2014 #147

I could introduce you to someone just as unable to see outside himself if you haven't eaten recently IrishAyes May 2014 #260

Someone is working over-time to silence your voice in this thread. Sissyk May 2014 #186

Some things are more than just "opinion." I absolutely agree. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #40

Yep. wickerwoman May 2014 #11

IMHO, most people don't understand or acknowledge their own privilege... MellowDem May 2014 #13

^^^This^^^ n/t Gormy Cuss May 2014 #127

I think some of the best ways to understand is Whisp May 2014 #217

That's certainly another way... MellowDem May 2014 #227

Sometimes I wonder if the Irish who are historically aware should have an easier time understanding IrishAyes May 2014 #273

I haven't participated in those discussion because it seems obvious. Your excellent post Hoyt May 2014 #14

It's Pretty Simple tea and oranges May 2014 #15

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Who said it was your fault? BainsBane May 2014 #18

You Are A Little More Subtle Than The Recent run, Sir.... The Magistrate May 2014 #20

Yep. Glad to see MIRT zapped him. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #43

I think you may be gone soon. bravenak May 2014 #21

Suicide run BainsBane May 2014 #23

That was a bad one. bravenak May 2014 #25

Not to mention, it is privilege to be able to wade into these discussions, KitSileya May 2014 #26

It gets worse than that BainsBane May 2014 #27

As I said, they should be banned. KitSileya May 2014 #28

Well, for worrying about the website losing posters Damansarajaya May 2014 #136

Quality before quantity, I guess. KitSileya May 2014 #160

Gosh. You sure know a lot for someone who has only been here for a few weeks. Squinch May 2014 #193

I KNEW somebody was gonna think that. Damansarajaya May 2014 #195

Well, color me convinced! Squinch May 2014 #197

The very first day I posted here, Damansarajaya May 2014 #203

Well, it seems like you would know... Squinch May 2014 #208

on ignore . . . Damansarajaya May 2014 #212

Yeah! Squinch May 2014 #213

Why must there be an announcement? bravenak May 2014 #219

I found that one somewhat gratifying. And the feeling of deja vu is always a kick. Squinch May 2014 #221

Ahhhh. bravenak May 2014 #222

... chervilant May 2014 #214

I'm sorry, but do you have any fracking idea how ironic that is? AverageJoe90 May 2014 #31

As you refuse to listen to unprivileged people when they describe their reality, KitSileya May 2014 #49

No, I listen quite well to experiences, actually. I just don't always agree with certain opinions. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #54

This has been explained to you about a hundred times this week alone. bravenak May 2014 #67

Brava! stage left May 2014 #182

Oh wow, suddenly I get what's going on here. Zenlitened May 2014 #223

Exactly. Thank you very very much! bravenak May 2014 #226

Thank YOU. Your comment sparked a real "aha!" moment for me. -n/t Zenlitened May 2014 #229

I was thinking of posting a response along those very lines ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #256

There is no such thing as "personal racism" ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #238

Again, it's a matter of having the attitude that you understand racism better than people of color nomorenomore08 May 2014 #50

And frankly, I have picked up that very same vibe myself from a number of these same few people. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #52

Because you are the one person who always shows up. bravenak May 2014 #68

I see you ignored my advice to stop trolling these threads. Unsurprising, but a shame nonetheless. Number23 May 2014 #75

I'll admit I may be somewhat opinionated.....perhaps to a fault, even. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #82

You are vocal in denying the experiences and history of millions of people. Number23 May 2014 #88

I wouldn't have posted again, but I had to say something. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #96

You haven't corrected anything. You never do. You never will. Number23 May 2014 #98

Quite right madam. bravenak May 2014 #83

No need to pm him/her ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #239

I suppose different individuals may be affected to different degrees. But suggesting that *any* nomorenomore08 May 2014 #283

But he's not assuming ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #288

It rather reminds me of Paul Ryan refusing to have any poor people on his committee to IrishAyes May 2014 #276

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Hear FUCKING Hear Number23 May 2014 #73

Huh, I was sure I was going to get a hide with that one. KitSileya May 2014 #123

Thanks you! JustAnotherGen May 2014 #110

I've been a member of DU since 2002, KitSileya May 2014 #124

Nicely put. Thank you. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #117

And, TBH, it really can be just as easily....and more *plausibly* argued, even..... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #30

No, it creates no such frame BainsBane May 2014 #32

And with all due respect to said poster, I'm afraid they're rather wrong. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #33

I don't believe he mentioned trolls BainsBane May 2014 #39

Yes, I know, but that wasn't quite the point I was making. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #42

Or you could read my edited post BainsBane May 2014 #45

I think I noticed it already......that is, if you're referring to the Biden thing. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #77

No BainsBane May 2014 #80

"Don't use the word if you don't like it, but stop telling other people what language they are nomorenomore08 May 2014 #92

I've said it several times BainsBane May 2014 #93

Like everything else. I swear that kind of obliviousness must be *practiced*. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #97

Practiced and calculated. KitSileya May 2014 #100

I'm not so sure BainsBane May 2014 #101

Could be a little of both, really. I just wish certain folks would give it a rest. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #102

Here's something else pipi_k May 2014 #121

One question, what is "controversial" about discussing privilege? boston bean May 2014 #122

You've hit on the crux of the matter. Maedhros May 2014 #141

and "flameabait" BainsBane May 2014 #148

Well, it's a topic that makes some people very uncomfortable Maedhros May 2014 #165

I think that is the heart of the dispute BainsBane May 2014 #169

Unfortunately, you and I do not possess "suburban privilege". As such I have ONLY been affected Dragonfli May 2014 #191

Class privilege is just as significant. I don't like how some people downplay it either. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #235

I don't see it as a contest, what I see and have seen since birth, is that those that are Dragonfli May 2014 #249

I absolutely agree that people need to stop placing others beneath them. Period. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #251

Certainly no intent to "dehumanize." I think we were all just irritated with the guy. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #234

I am betting Squinch May 2014 #199

LOL! The funniest thing I've read all day! Because it is true ... kwassa May 2014 #257

SO MUCH THIS XemaSab Jun 2014 #296

Seems he likes to argue and get in the last word . . . brush May 2014 #116

For the umpteenth time, white privilege is not something one merely "believes" in! nomorenomore08 May 2014 #51

With all due respect, "White privilege" isn't the same thing as starvation in India. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #53

Then why is Trayvon Martin dead BainsBane May 2014 #56

Precisely. Splitting hairs over semantics while people are suffering and dying from the effects of nomorenomore08 May 2014 #58

While saying, "This is how all these people describe their experience, but they are wrong" about an Squinch May 2014 #201

"That is how I interpret your argument." Well, I'm sorry to say that you're wrong. Dead wrong. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #62

Did you see how I defined white privilege? BainsBane May 2014 #66

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #72

Trayvon Martin is dead because he was murdered by a racist KansDem May 2014 #130

You admit that racism is a serious problem - which anyone with any sense can clearly see - nomorenomore08 May 2014 #60

Funny how you always show up on privilege threads to argue against the term. bravenak May 2014 #65

I've made that last point many times BainsBane May 2014 #70

I wonder why. bravenak May 2014 #74

I don't get it either, honestly. But obviously there's something that really irks certain posters nomorenomore08 May 2014 #86

Honestly it has been explained to him by us about a hundred times this week. bravenak May 2014 #89

I tend to assume most people on DU are more or less sincere, but I'm really starting to wonder. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #91

I think you are right and most people are sincerely who they say they are. bravenak May 2014 #94

It might be betsuni May 2014 #280

I have no idea, but I guess it's possible. I'm pretty sure I have a touch of that (or something nomorenomore08 May 2014 #282

This right here JustAnotherGen May 2014 #155

I am done with him. bravenak May 2014 #185

bwahahahahah JustAnotherGen May 2014 #187

I think you are right about this. This is a game, and I am suspictious of the motives. Squinch May 2014 #206

I have been noticing a pattern for about a month. bravenak May 2014 #209

Yep. And always taking the same position, and always sucking all the energy out of the thread. Squinch May 2014 #211

Yes, i agree. bravenak May 2014 #218

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #61

Why do you say class is the one exception? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #47

because it's the only one he thinks matters BainsBane May 2014 #48

"because it's about him." How ironic. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #57

How many posters of color do you think there are on this site? BainsBane May 2014 #59

"You don't pay attention much, do you?" I pay plenty of attention, thanks. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #63

"...making an honest attempt to consider everyone's personal experiences and such." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #64

"but it doesn't translate to the screen," I'll admit I do sometimes fall short in that regard. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #79

Because "white privilege" sadly HAS confused a lot of people. That's the problem. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #103

Why? Please no more. Please just stop. Please stop. bravenak May 2014 #104

So don't use the word. BainsBane May 2014 #105

#1. "White privilege" is admittedly not the most literal use of the word "privilege." But give nomorenomore08 May 2014 #106

Like Cliven Bundy Midnight Writer May 2014 #44

Perfect example. BainsBane May 2014 #46

Or a group of liberals of any color or sex Fumesucker May 2014 #71

Nice cartoon. Thanks for posting. Peace out. =) AverageJoe90 May 2014 #87

Funny how that works BainsBane May 2014 #119

Some truth here, to be honest. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #76

Thats a great example of white privilege. bravenak May 2014 #78

Have you heard of the Black Panthers? KansDem May 2014 #133

Exactly. If privilege is just racism as so many here argue . . . Damansarajaya May 2014 #135

Who argued that? BainsBane May 2014 #149

See below Damansarajaya May 2014 #192

Yes i did say that. bravenak May 2014 #194

Fair enough. Damansarajaya May 2014 #200

Goody for you. bravenak May 2014 #204

Wow. Sorry to hear about the abuse Damansarajaya May 2014 #210

That isn't saying the only kind of privilege relates to race BainsBane May 2014 #207

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Damansarajaya May 2014 #220

I'm glad you read it and gave it some thought BainsBane May 2014 #224

and how many were imprisoned as a result? BainsBane May 2014 #151

+ a bazillion. chervilant May 2014 #215

I believe it is about externalizing racism BainsBane May 2014 #231

That is clearly an aspect of the denial chervilant May 2014 #241

Thanks very much, chervilant BainsBane May 2014 #275

This ^ geardaddy May 2014 #196

This thread has made me want to scratch my face off. bravenak May 2014 #99

It's really just been one member BainsBane May 2014 #120

Oh hellz yeah. riqster May 2014 #107

BB JustAnotherGen May 2014 #108

You're right, of course BainsBane May 2014 #112

Eh? We all make mistakes JustAnotherGen May 2014 #113

A basic lesson BainsBane May 2014 #115

Well said. nt el_bryanto May 2014 #109

K&R n/t myrna minx May 2014 #111

K&R Starry Messenger May 2014 #114

Well Said! Bettie May 2014 #118

I have race & class privilege & see it every time I ride the bus. CrispyQ May 2014 #125

Why do you think that is? BainsBane May 2014 #154

I think it's a kind of respect for my space, a reluctance to infringe upon my space, CrispyQ May 2014 #167

I got suspended from FSU for exercising the same curfew rights as campus men. I also lost a job ancianita May 2014 #128

K&R. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #129

As a fellow middle-class white chick -- well said, BainsBane! Really amazes me how anyone could DesertDiamond May 2014 #131

hear here!!! So well put. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #132

Yay, not one post about "female privilege" because ladies nights at bars bettyellen May 2014 #134

That's because the main topic is white privilege. redqueen May 2014 #153

oops, you are right. I already got scolded about not caring about equality because I'm not working bettyellen May 2014 #159

ah the old MRA talking point BainsBane May 2014 #166

we are supposed to have equal opportunity, but not make better use of it! FUCK THAT, LOL. bettyellen May 2014 #168

I love you! JustAnotherGen May 2014 #171

I love you too Gen! bettyellen May 2014 #179

LOL redqueen May 2014 #177

It reminds me of the convulted logic employed to try to convince me to do my brothers laundry.... bettyellen May 2014 #181

Where you go astray.... CANDO May 2014 #137

"Zimmerman is of ethnic origin." lol nt NCTraveler May 2014 #143

No, you don't get it BainsBane May 2014 #152

Can you point me to references JustAnotherGen May 2014 #162

Here was my thread/op on white privilege JustAnotherGen May 2014 #163

I am more privileged that (sic) some in terms of class but less privileged than others. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #140

Good job articulating that. Thanks. GoneFishin May 2014 #144

Someone alerted on my OP BainsBane May 2014 #145

To the person who sent the alert. NCTraveler May 2014 #150

When people decide the subject itself is illegtimate BainsBane May 2014 #161

Well slap my ass and call me sally! JustAnotherGen May 2014 #156

Maybe this is what happens when they read it? M0rpheus May 2014 #164

Oh - that's not good JustAnotherGen May 2014 #170

I still have that other GIF in reserve! M0rpheus May 2014 #172

Get out! JustAnotherGen May 2014 #174

Up close and personal, it's... um... yeah... M0rpheus May 2014 #244

I want to know where you keep BainsBane May 2014 #228

Idris says... M0rpheus May 2014 #242

It's solely for research purposes BainsBane May 2014 #245

Reallly? M0rpheus May 2014 #246

:) BainsBane May 2014 #247

Emergency! M0rpheus May 2014 #254

~ MO sheshe2 May 2014 #277

Nah... I just have no gosh darned sense. M0rpheus May 2014 #292

God daaaammmmn! JustAnotherGen May 2014 #252

Noooooo! M0rpheus May 2014 #253

She's fickle anyway BainsBane May 2014 #272

Hmmm... Idris loves loyalty! M0rpheus May 2014 #293

Oh - The Gio knows JustAnotherGen May 2014 #287

Idris says... M0rpheus May 2014 #291

Nat Turner never mentioned "white privlege" BainsBane May 2014 #173

Neither did JustAnotherGen May 2014 #175

Sojourner Truth spoke about white male privilege, even if she didn't use the word. BainsBane May 2014 #176

Too late - I started a list JustAnotherGen May 2014 #178

What a tremendously powerful speech. And sadly, in some ways we're fighting same battles nomorenomore08 May 2014 #250

Karen Finney on Disrupt on Sunday had a good segment on Does ‘privilege-checking’ shut down debate? Gothmog May 2014 #157

K&R stage left May 2014 #158

So...what? Privilege check done. Now what? Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #180

Here are but a few examples of White Male privilege from my own experience..... Burma Jones May 2014 #183

Wow. That is intense BainsBane May 2014 #230

Prison if I were lucky........ Burma Jones May 2014 #289

Brava~ BainsBane! sheshe2 May 2014 #184

I prefer to call these things 'Human rights' rather than 'privileges' Dems to Win May 2014 #188

You of course are free to call it what you like BainsBane May 2014 #202

That first pargraph kind is something I have faced. Lady Freedom Returns May 2014 #198

Excellent! Very well said! scarletwoman May 2014 #205

As someone who grew up poor, poverty is also a huge stigma. WCLinolVir May 2014 #216

to sooth the savage beasts heaven05 May 2014 #225

You hit one out of the park with this post! etherealtruth May 2014 #232

Thanks, etherealtruth! nt BainsBane May 2014 #233

it is really quite simple noiretextatique May 2014 #236

K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #237

Totally agree bhikkhu May 2014 #248

I tried to get straight married in 1979 and was refused. Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #258

I don't believe in "white men" betsuni May 2014 #259

How could you do this to me?!? bravenak May 2014 #261

. BainsBane May 2014 #262

I know what it says, but WHAT THE HECK DOES IT MEAN?? bravenak May 2014 #264

I'm stuck on people without color. BainsBane May 2014 #265

I'm just stuck. bravenak May 2014 #268

See post #54 betsuni May 2014 #270

You got me. bravenak May 2014 #271

I thought betsuni May 2014 #274

Itz my fault. bravenak May 2014 #278

No, no, my fault betsuni May 2014 #285

Well, betsuni May 2014 #263

Well then, good decision. bravenak May 2014 #266

Raptured BainsBane May 2014 #269

They aren't real because you don't think race matters? BainsBane May 2014 #267

What? betsuni May 2014 #290

This was awesome!! bravenak May 2014 #294

It's odd how many of DU's chronically aggreived white guys live in Asia. LeftyMom May 2014 #279

It was a joke. bravenak May 2014 #281

They think American women are too "uppity" or something? Like the mail-order-bride dudes? n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #295

Kick, kick, kick!!! Heidi May 2014 #286