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nomorenomore08

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49. Thank you for explaining it better (and more dispassionately) than I probably could.

Mon May 12, 2014, 11:10 PM

May 2014

One doesn't have to condone a specific action - like the Slushee-throwing - to acknowledge that the definition of violence is both broader and more subjective than just "kicking ass." Psychic violence in its various forms - bigotry, poverty, etc. - is ultimately just as damaging as direct, physical violence, to the extent that in some instances, "popular justice" can be looked upon as a form of self-defense.

And speaking of continuums, I think we all exist on one between "asshole" and "noble," and the two aren't mutually exclusive by any means.

"I understand that psychic violence... should be countered at every turn." I feel much the same way, hence my admittedly intemperate posts earlier in the thread. Though said resistance need not automatically equal physical assault - there are other ways.

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Mother's Day gay hating mom gets Slushee poured on her in front of news cameras. [View all] catbyte May 2014 OP

The sign lady is a serious hot mess. CurtEastPoint May 2014 #1

GACK. Not surprising. She had that smug, glazed eyed look of a True Believer. catbyte May 2014 #2

I see that her husband is leaving her Cirque du So-What May 2014 #13

She's getting some serious pushback (not for the faint hearted) on her fb page, there.... MADem May 2014 #14

Can't see any of it. I'd have to "like" her or add her as a friend in order to do that. calimary May 2014 #75

I didn't "like" her--she must have changed her settings. MADem May 2014 #86

She must have changed it to private a few hours ago... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #93

Some of the people were really getting personal with her.... MADem May 2014 #115

nutcase Skittles May 2014 #28

But she has a great flower garden. How did she ever get a concealed carry permit? Nobel_Twaddle_III May 2014 #64

And... 2naSalit May 2014 #70

Now it's oozing out in a public way Oilwellian May 2014 #111

Yet another POS! She's lucky she just got Slushee, some gun toter might have done RKP5637 May 2014 #30

Ok, that is a character, and I don't mean it in a good way nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #33

She's made it private already jmowreader May 2014 #120

Technically, that is assault. HooptieWagon May 2014 #3

i need to grow up i suppose, i was cheering on the girl in the red shirt while watching this. m-lekktor May 2014 #4

It's pretty hard not to get fed up with their BS, and IMO they get way too much of a free pass to RKP5637 May 2014 #35

hurling a slushee onto someone isn't just "expressing displeasure". It is assault. KittyWampus May 2014 #5

Absolutely! Eye for an Eye makes the whole world blind LynneSin May 2014 #7

and lost credibility Niceguy1 May 2014 #32

I mean....you know.... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #9

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #15

And, to be honest, most of if got on that heinous sign. catbyte May 2014 #89

so do you believe in free speech or not? Are you against bullying or not? Pick a lane. KittyWampus May 2014 #92

Yep. n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #20

As much as the message this woman was displaying was disgusting... LynneSin May 2014 #6

Yep, well said! It might feel good, but in the big picture we look worse. n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #36

I disagree minivan2 May 2014 #68

Who's "us?" A woman got pissed at her and threw a slushie at her. MADem May 2014 #87

No it's not. But trust me - the news channels will make her the face of progressives LynneSin May 2014 #90

But Lynne, the actual face of progressives was as usual, absent. Straight folks who claim to be Bluenorthwest May 2014 #101

Who knows? The bottom line, though, is we can't live in fear of what assholes think. MADem May 2014 #116

agreed, 1,000% nt magical thyme May 2014 #97

that is battery and is a crime arely staircase May 2014 #8

Sorry, but I really don't care what happens to people who treat others as subhuman. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #16

Wow, physical assault for people you disagree with? Classy! nt Logical May 2014 #18

Someone hates you to the point of desiring your extermination, and you're supposed to be all nomorenomore08 May 2014 #19

LOL, polite? How about not physically assaulting them? Wow, get it yet? nt Logical May 2014 #22

Was the woman severely injured? Will she have lifelong medical problems, or PTSD? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #23

WTF is wrong with you? A sign is not a reason to assault someone. nt Logical May 2014 #24

I guess I've just had it with spiteful, self-righteous folks who hate people just for being born nomorenomore08 May 2014 #25

Feeling like doing it is different than doing it. nt Logical May 2014 #31

You're right about that. And I do think I need to get a grip on my anger issues. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #34

That is true, but I sure know what you're feeling. I'm really fed up with creepy bigots. n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #37

I am sorry people have to be such assholes...... Logical May 2014 #40

I'm not gay, but I've come to feel the sting of prejudice very acutely, even if not directly. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #42

Anger is a gift. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #45

"Anger is an energy..." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #50

But "she was asking for it" jberryhill May 2014 #81

Some people just dont get it. Separation May 2014 #76

And to think Gandhi and MLK never used violence even when they were treated subhuman LynneSin May 2014 #99

And they were giants among men. Virtually no one would deny that. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #121

Their approach seems to be the more successful LynneSin May 2014 #125

Physical violence and rhetorical resistance are sometimes blurred... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #41

pretty sure that isnt what the relevant statute says. nt arely staircase May 2014 #43

Law is simply a means of obtaining justice. Which means law is subordinate to justice... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #48

I'm pretty sure that argument wouldnt work in court arely staircase May 2014 #51

Without question, my argument would crash and burn in court. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #55

her "action of resistance" was a dick move. check out the guy with counter sign downthread arely staircase May 2014 #58

What is your definition of "self-defense?" Gravitycollapse May 2014 #60

use of force to prevent imminent bodily harm arely staircase May 2014 #62

Okay, so you stick to the law. I do not. This is where we part ways. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #71

the whole "that person's speech provoked the violence against them" reminds me of when the arely staircase May 2014 #72

Let's talk about Justice for a minute jberryhill May 2014 #114

Thank you for explaining it better (and more dispassionately) than I probably could. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #49

pic of the slushy throw Liberal_in_LA May 2014 #10

If she did that to a cop she would have been cuffed and stuffed on the spot oneofthe99 May 2014 #57

actually it is battery, not assault. but yeah. arely staircase May 2014 #59

Nice aim. joshcryer May 2014 #88

Mmmm.... Scruffy Rumbler May 2014 #11

Now stunts like this are really going to help end bigotry. Brigid May 2014 #12

Well, I think she's got more trouble than just an ired person with a cold drink... MADem May 2014 #21

So the Slushee was her just desserts? jberryhill May 2014 #77

Well, one could look at the event as an opportunity to enjoy a cold beverage. MADem May 2014 #110

at this point I would say she has a mental issue snooper2 May 2014 #102

She has an odd right to be a hateful bigot--at least to a point. MADem May 2014 #113

maybe she's taken a page from Phelp's book. Be outrageously hateful in public KittyWampus May 2014 #124

She was practically inviting someone to attack her. Terra Alta May 2014 #38

These are the folks who would probably send gays to concentration camps if they could. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #17

her sign makes no sense Skittles May 2014 #26

Neither does the top she's wearing... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #95

Great she went to being a corner nobody to on the news because dilby May 2014 #27

so this bigot got a Slushee thrown at her. Terra Alta May 2014 #29

Throwing a slushee is an act of violence? backscatter712 May 2014 #39

Throwing a slushee doesn't count? seveneyes May 2014 #44

Public officials have gotten pied in the face... backscatter712 May 2014 #46

it's different because Obama is a public official Terra Alta May 2014 #52

"she deserved what she got"... egduj May 2014 #65

the difference is that this woman is an instigator Terra Alta May 2014 #67

and someone else was just a slut who wanted to get laid and get sympathy magical thyme May 2014 #98

That comparison only works if you thinking dressing a certain way, and spewing hate toward innocent nomorenomore08 May 2014 #78

She deserved what she got for spewing her fucking bigotry. backscatter712 May 2014 #123

Obama .....try doing it to a cop oneofthe99 May 2014 #63

specifically, it is battery arely staircase May 2014 #54

Oh, I DEFINITELY saw a misdemeanor assault take place. Don't know about you. Systematic Chaos May 2014 #61

I'm surprised that people think this way jberryhill May 2014 #79

I think it's being fed up with senseless bigotry that gets people hurt, and sometimes killed. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #80

There's always a reason for violence jberryhill May 2014 #82

Very true. I'm not elated about what happened, but I understand why, especially if the thrower nomorenomore08 May 2014 #83

I agree, but we seem to be in the minority here. FiveGoodMen May 2014 #118

Hystrionic personality, maybe? Ilsa May 2014 #47

Link to the story with video and a pic of a clever retort!: NYC_SKP May 2014 #53

now THAT is the proper way to deal with such people. nt arely staircase May 2014 #56

This poor woman needs mental health help bad Nobel_Twaddle_III May 2014 #66

That sign was a big "Pour a Slushy On Me" sign Lex May 2014 #69

That poor Slushee n/t Violet_Crumble May 2014 #73

not to hijack a thread but regarding your sig line arely staircase May 2014 #74

Plus Ian Astbury's always been a bit of a wanker... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #96

To those who feel sorry for her - what if she'd help up a sign with "I HATE NI**ERS" or something nomorenomore08 May 2014 #84

Still more evidence that being a self-righteous a-hole is a contagious disease struggle4progress May 2014 #85

When they gave out brains, HockeyMom May 2014 #91

Thank the young woman... Orsino May 2014 #94

For those who approve of the reaction sarisataka May 2014 #100

I note the energetic and passionate disapproval for her actions which is much greater than Bluenorthwest May 2014 #104

Africa is a bit far for me sarisataka May 2014 #106

My post was not entirely about Africa, and even the bits that are were presented in the context Bluenorthwest May 2014 #108

What did I not comment on? sarisataka May 2014 #109

How many DUers do you see defending those pogroms? Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #122

For this, I would say the sandwich and fries are okay. ieoeja May 2014 #105

I cannot think of any words sarisataka May 2014 #107

"I equate "espousing bigotry" with "picking a fight"." jberryhill May 2014 #112

I'd say... FiveGoodMen May 2014 #119

I cannot condone Billy Budd May 2014 #103

John Lennon called it Instant Karma. SwankyXomb May 2014 #117