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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
7. Yes. Doing what you criticize others for doing is hypocrisy.
Tue May 13, 2014, 10:12 AM
May 2014

Pulling back from the specific (tampering with routers) to the general ("spying&quot doesn't make it less so.

The implication was that people should not buy Chinese made equipment because of the terrible Chinese spying. Meanwhile, people should not buy American equipment because of the equally terrible American spying.

You can't simply reduce all of the NSA's activities to "spying" and conclude everything is okay because the NSA is supposed to be "spying." NSA doesn't have a mandate to conduct unlimited "spying." It's supposed to be conducting intelligence on foreign communications. Not Americans' "metadata," not Google's network, not routers that may end up anywhere.

Speaking of which, when Greenwald was on Colbert last night, he mentioned coming across an internal, unofficial statement of NSA's current intent. The gist was that NSA sought to collect "everything." Something about, "grab it all, sift it, store it, process it."

"Everything" collection is not the NSA's mandate. And that is the problem that's been uncovered here. Communications intelligence agencies all would like to have "everything." They have always sought to do this, and the law and U.S. civil rights have always limited it. In the new War on Terror world, NSA has again found ways to exceed its mandate and pursue intrusive communications gathering well beyond the scope of its authorization. It's not surprising, but that doesn't make it somehow okay.

As for "vague," you're reading a news report discussing an excerpt of a book. To conclude Greenwald's work isn't sufficiently detailed without actually reading it is baseless.

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They've also been implanting control chips in the brains of the New Yorkers they export to Brazil! struggle4progress May 2014 #1
How's this for ignorant? Wilms May 2014 #2
The keyword is "exported." MineralMan May 2014 #3
The NSA is supposed to serve "national security." DirkGently May 2014 #4
So saying to be careful that China doesn't spy on us is hypocrisy? randome May 2014 #5
Yes. Doing what you criticize others for doing is hypocrisy. DirkGently May 2014 #7
How is this part of whistle blowing about Domestic Surveillance? JoePhilly May 2014 #6
Depends on whose equipment has been intercepted. DirkGently May 2014 #8
So nothing to do with domestic surveillance. JoePhilly May 2014 #10
They are NOT intercepting everything. It's ludicrous to think that. randome May 2014 #11
It's ludicrous to think they should try. DirkGently May 2014 #15
"The NSA does not have a mandate to just generally spy on the entire world." Um, yes. Yes they do. msanthrope May 2014 #13
Well you and Peter King (R NY) agree. Pres. Obama does not. DirkGently May 2014 #14
Oh please....don't mistake political theatre for reality. nt msanthrope May 2014 #16
Oh, wow. So Obama was being dishonest? DirkGently May 2014 #17
Sure greeny LOL, I'm sure the Chinese are too stupid to use wireshark LOL snooper2 May 2014 #9
HAHAHA What a nut job. As if the NSA has the manpower to intercept US Servers sold overseas. 951-Riverside May 2014 #12
"Agent Mike, there's a parcel headed for China! Activate the Go Team!" randome May 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan May 2014 #19
Huh, I only see one rofl in this thread so far mindwalker_i May 2014 #20
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