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nadinbrzezinski

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15. I have been saying that for years

Reply to nashville_brook (Original post)

Tue May 13, 2014, 12:41 PM

May 2014

local activists most take over planning boards, school boards and city councils, and if need be cross the local party while they do it.

I will give you two examples without mentioning names.

We have a lot of issues in the back country with industrial wind and solar. To put it bluntly the activist do not want them (they lost the policy war, but that is another story) They are not just at home discussing quietly the issue and making gripes. Perhaps going to the planning board and making a little noise. They took over the planning board. (They all happen to be quite conservative and republican)

The other side.

For the most part, all I hear is gripes. That is all I hear. There are no solutions proposed, and when you ask them, when are you running? The excuses come up. And trust me, in the field I have asked a few of these activist, WHEN are you running for the planning board? They all think it is sufficient to stand on the roadside with signs telling the POTUS just how ugly the XL Pipeline is, but none is willing to actually run for office.

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