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38. Let me put it this way. In racial liberation movements, white persons are an auxiliary presence.
Tue May 13, 2014, 09:23 PM
May 2014

What does that mean? It means that we recognize our necessarily subordinate role and, rather than whining, step to the side or sit down and listen. That is our major function in such a movement. It isn't to grand stand and it isn't to enact yet another white dominant power structure. The only role in which we might take as leadership is in educating the white auxiliary as supplementary to the insight of the oppressed group's authority.


The history of white racism is chiefly an expression of incredible arrogance. We are not the most important persons in the room. We never have been. It's time to submit to that reality and show some humility. If an oppressed person tells you it's time to stop talking and time to listen, you shut your mouth and listen.

Do not be mistaken, this is not an equal power relationship. As members of the advantaged class, we do not suffer the same rhetorical annihilation by silencing ourselves in situations where we are necessarily less informed or less powerful. Being told to shut up as a white person on matters of race is not the same as being told to shut up as a black person on matters of race.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] TroglodyteScholar May 2014 OP
I just trash all those dopey threads. PeteSelman May 2014 #1
Same here Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #4
..... 840high May 2014 #78
This is not what's being said Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #2
Hey Capt. Obvious May 2014 #6
Have you ever posted something that didn't end with a sarcasm tag? TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #9
Trick question Capt. Obvious May 2014 #10
Okay, so that tag is in your sig line. TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #13
I didn't? Capt. Obvious May 2014 #19
Full of one-liners if not one-worders. TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #21
I know Capt. Obvious May 2014 #22
. Squinch May 2014 #62
Oh stop! NuclearDem May 2014 #15
Maybe you've already ignored some obnoxious members TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #8
I hardly have anyone on my ignore list. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #26
You're not replying to me (someone who fully acknowledges white privilege at every chance) TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #30
Nope, I'm replying to you. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #31
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #32
Actually... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #37
Are you fucking kidding me? I didn't say anything about what race you might be. TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #40
You're an intellectual giant. Capt. Obvious May 2014 #43
LOL! kwassa May 2014 #57
Sure you did. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #52
Ironically, those who piss and moan about "hating whitey" usually don't think much of *other* races. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #82
Why would anyone ever "hate" (or even suspect the motives of) white people? I can't imagine... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #85
Please link to one racist invective ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #90
The voices in his head must all be Nation of Islam members... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #115
Understanding white privilege is easy if people try FrodosPet May 2014 #28
that's only a relatively small handful of clowns though. but it's enough clowns to make epic flame dionysus May 2014 #50
It really is. When I stopped and counted them up, I was both a little relieved that there were so Squinch May 2014 #66
No I don't think it is racist for white people to voice their views on issues of race. boston bean May 2014 #3
We can all think whatever we want pscot May 2014 #71
Fail Capt. Obvious May 2014 #5
I haven't seen posts saying that fishwax May 2014 #7
I'd give you three examples, but that would be a call-out TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #18
What are your feelings/thoughts JustAnotherGen May 2014 #11
"You are now invited to discuss." Let me finish that for you. TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #14
Nope. Doesn't sound familiar to me at all. kwassa May 2014 #59
When I was about four years old Jenoch May 2014 #47
*facepalm* Starry Messenger May 2014 #12
No, but I think it's racist to post racist articles from racist websites. NuclearDem May 2014 #16
+1 gollygee May 2014 #17
That it is. TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #20
Not you. NuclearDem May 2014 #23
Odd... because there's so much filth being slung at "white guys," "white dudes," etc. TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #25
No words about how wrong it is to do that? I see you take it personally boston bean May 2014 #36
I do, too etherealtruth May 2014 #29
+1 uponit7771 May 2014 #106
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The problem is systematized. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #24
You've responded to something I never said TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #27
Maybe it's just me, but many persons don't want to hear boston bean May 2014 #33
Let me put it this way. In racial liberation movements, white persons are an auxiliary presence. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #38
Wow Bonx May 2014 #42
What part do you disagree with the most? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #46
Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #94
are you by chance currently a college student? i have always wondered. dionysus May 2014 #48
I will only answer that if you explain how it's relevant to the discussion. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #60
because your posts, to me, sounds like you're in the middle of taking college courses and dionysus May 2014 #67
I'm in between undergrad and post-grad. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #70
i knew it! dionysus May 2014 #81
So... you don't want to write four paragraphs about why it's not racist to treat me badly based on TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #49
Has anyone on this board treated you badly because you're white? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #58
excellent post. kwassa May 2014 #63
Excellent post! Well said! scarletwoman May 2014 #74
"Hating whitey" is the new fried ice cream AgingAmerican May 2014 #34
But of course, the only ones saying or hearing ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #95
I'm talking... AgingAmerican May 2014 #102
So tell me ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #104
Stop what? AgingAmerican May 2014 #105
Are you white? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #107
Yes AgingAmerican May 2014 #109
Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #110
This OP is pure race baiting AgingAmerican May 2014 #111
We can't stop until we get fair treatment. bravenak May 2014 #112
"White people...are the problem" - ?! Maybe you have some ideas for a solution? Skip Intro May 2014 #35
Nah, those type of threads help separate the "good white people" from the bad ones. Throd May 2014 #39
kindling, kindling Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #41
Race-baiting bullshit like the OP used to be hidden by mods, users ejected. n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #44
Now, the people that object to such threads get hidden. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #96
clever trolls have been working up well meaning DUers into a lather on a host of issues lately. dionysus May 2014 #45
+1 LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #51
Would you mind clarifying your point? n/t TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #53
i don't know who is fanning the flames, but DU has been inundated with porn wars, gender wars, now dionysus May 2014 #69
Well, I'm saying that the OP is instigating shit! I believe it wholeheartedly! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #87
i can't disagree with you on that. dionysus May 2014 #88
"Clever trolls", eh? Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #56
no, i'm not saying that, perhaps i wasn't clear. i do think people are egging on these arguments dionysus May 2014 #80
Not a lot of clever here. kwassa May 2014 #64
Post all you want Shankapotomus May 2014 #54
OP's like this are very informative. Raine1967 May 2014 #55
Pure hypocritical, racist, race-baiting bullshit. n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #61
Oh, my goodness gracious! Are you feeling oppressed? scarletwoman May 2014 #65
Just what the hell are you talking about? MrScorpio May 2014 #68
Of course white privilage exists. rrneck May 2014 #72
Maybe it's about saying what is true rather than coddling the easily disturbed. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #75
Maybe, but I doubt it. rrneck May 2014 #97
Or, it could be about what the PoC ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #98
It will take all of us to solve any problem in any meaningful way. rrneck May 2014 #100
Tell me ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #103
There is no easy answer. rrneck May 2014 #108
Racism is bigotry + institutional power ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #114
Absolutely none. bravenak May 2014 #116
I didn't say I experienced it. I said I saw it. nt rrneck May 2014 #117
SHUT UP. JUST SHUT UP. THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOUR PRECIOUS HURT FEELINGS. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #73
^^^This. Squinch May 2014 #76
I think I'd better bow out of this thread before I have an aneurysm or something... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #77
A bit direct, but effective. [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #86
I guess after thread upon thread of this whiney, narcissistic bullshit, I finally blew my top... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #91
Indeed!! I want to kiss you right about now!! Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #89
A hug will do fine. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #92
That's what i'm saying too. bravenak May 2014 #113
Link to some of these posts? RedCappedBandit May 2014 #79
No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #83
I'm with you one-hundred percent on this. cheapdate May 2014 #84
So you care more about one person's unwarranted persecution complex than the devastating nomorenomore08 May 2014 #93
But ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #99
It's always down to self-centeredness. Always. That's what I've finally realized. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #101
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