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laundry_queen

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220. Good post

Wed May 14, 2014, 11:34 AM

May 2014

and I'd like to point out that I think #2 is a problem with a lot of people - it's so subtle they deny its very existence and are very defensive when someone suggests that they may benefit from something they don't believe exists. Sadly, by denying its very existence, they perpetuate it. IMO, that is why it's so important to make people aware of what it is...most people, once they are shown, understand. Unfortunately, there will always be a small subset of people who will take the suggestion of privilege as a personal attack on their own life. I don't know if it's because they are being willfully obtuse, or if they are worried subconsciously that acknowledging it means they will no longer benefit from it.

Anyway, I don't know the cure either, but I'm aware of it and I also do my damndest to not perpetuate it.

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I love it when white Dudes proclaim to know the cure for white privilege [View all] boston bean May 2014 OP

Dig a ditch. Drink beer. Easy peasy. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #1

LOL boston bean May 2014 #2

They must not have heard the one about stopping the dig Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #5

Or, white women? pintobean May 2014 #3

This White woman...agrees with the premise that White privilege exists... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #35

As does male privilege. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #213

Did I say that....weren't you one of the ones that denied White male privilege last week? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #226

I didn't claim you did...it was a general question. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #234

And I just proved to your fast that White males ARE advantaged VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #236

Proved to my fast? I have no idea what that means. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #239

mistyped....meant FACE VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #241

White people are behind racism and privilege and only white people can resolve said issues randys1 May 2014 #229

Uh no....why is it ONLY White people.....I do not agree at all.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #232

We are saying the same thing, I am saying that someone without privilege cannot solve randys1 May 2014 #233

Oh for sure.....those with the privilege MUST be a big part of the solution.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #235

Sadly we are...and it isnt complicated why randys1 May 2014 #238

Agree with you randys1 100%! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #240

Is there a thread somewhere demonstrating this? cyberswede May 2014 #63

Why does there have to be? Of course white women are a privileged group... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #183

For being white, sure. For being women, obviously not. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #214

pintobean's reply implied that the OP was negligent in not mentioning women... cyberswede May 2014 #217

How about this OP? pintobean May 2014 #224

Speaking of tone deafness. NYC_SKP May 2014 #4

It's the god damned truth of the matter. boston bean May 2014 #7

And yet notice who you singled out in your thread title. 11 Bravo May 2014 #36

There's at least one thread by a white male proposing a solution to white privilege... cyberswede May 2014 #51

Why shouldn't there be? Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #215

I didn't say there shouldn't be...just that the OP is about a specific thread... cyberswede May 2014 #218

My question was more general...not directed specifically at you. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #219

Who were arguing against White privilege? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #39

I'm sure anyone can find anecdotes that support their prejudicial biases. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #41

Its just prejudice huh? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #86

Is this a better example of a non sequitur or a red herring? lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #103

Source? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #130

for your Edification.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #175

Thanks. nt MannyGoldstein May 2014 #190

Welcome... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #228

. Nye Bevan May 2014 #6

Sorry, the horse isn't dead. it is the highest horse I have ever seen and Some White Dudes on here Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #10

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #125

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Wah!!! bravenak May 2014 #34

"White dude?" KansDem May 2014 #8

Which are you objecting to, "White" or "Dude" ? nt boston bean May 2014 #12

My favorite BainsBane May 2014 #9

I know. I was like WTF? boston bean May 2014 #11

I am now certain of it BainsBane May 2014 #13

me too Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #25

Which bright light said THAT??? Squinch May 2014 #138

I would've thought that maybe listening to minority communities on the issue would be a solution. NuclearDem May 2014 #14

Are you kidding me? Listen to minority communities regarding issues that effect them boston bean May 2014 #15

We were told that if we all just held hands and sing Kumbaya together VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #40

"...not taxing them with the responsibility of not offending white men." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #126

I guess your argument is that white males at DU should not comment on this issue? nt el_bryanto May 2014 #16

My argument is that they shouldn't be diminishing and denying a black persons boston bean May 2014 #17

Exactly. It's the arrogance and presumptuousness that are most of the problem. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #128

"... and think it is only they who have the answers..." TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #146

I'm not sharing any road with people who attempt to diminish and squelch boston bean May 2014 #147

My mileage does fucking vary TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #148

That's because the ones I am talking about do believe they are the only ones with the correct boston bean May 2014 #149

"White dudes" TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #152

Did you write a post or ever speak about curing privilege whilst denying it exists? boston bean May 2014 #153

plonk TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #156

Plonk is exactly my thought as well. boston bean May 2014 #158

Enjoy spewing your one-liners while someone else tries to solve the problems you actively exacerbate TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #160

You keep driving those wedges by not understanding it's not about you personally. boston bean May 2014 #161

P.S. It does DU a serious disservice... TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #150

No it is you who have done that. ie lumped yourself in with the others. boston bean May 2014 #151

You are not worth any more time TroglodyteScholar May 2014 #154

No, I made no assumptions about YOU. boston bean May 2014 #157

but but but you said mean things about "White dudes".....why why that's...that's... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #181

Your denial of your divisiveness is no better than the denial you pipoman May 2014 #207

I am the divisive one and "pretending to care"? boston bean May 2014 #208

Waaaa....not alienated, stupefied by those who wish to pipoman May 2014 #209

Oh, it is me who is sexist and racist? boston bean May 2014 #210

Have a link to someone on DU denying racism or sexism? pipoman May 2014 #211

+1 Shankapotomus May 2014 #170

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You sound like you don't trust black persons. boston bean May 2014 #195

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keep on keeping on.... boston bean May 2014 #200

. pintobean May 2014 #202

Citation Needed On the Road May 2014 #203

The citation is all over this thread and all over GD boston bean May 2014 #204

Then why have I made dozens of posts on the subject and never been called out once? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #127

I'm listening. What, EXACTLY, is the cure for white privilege... Demo_Chris May 2014 #18

. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #24

As someone upthread said, "listening to minority communities on the issue" cyberswede May 2014 #33

I am listening, but there doesn't seem to be any unified message... Demo_Chris May 2014 #71

Acknowledgment. And before you say, "Fine I acknowledge it so it's cured," Squinch May 2014 #142

It goes quite a bit beyond these limited examples, and that's the problem... Demo_Chris May 2014 #174

No. The things I describe are privilege. The others experienced racism. I experienced privilege. Squinch May 2014 #223

The smart thing is to say nothing. Blue_Adept May 2014 #19

Nobody said nothing.....but apparently on this subject you don't... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #42

So all of these subjects are completely beyond the scope of reason? Major Nikon May 2014 #121

Did I ask about reason? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #176

Your claim is that reason has zero value Major Nikon May 2014 #206

Have you experienced child-birth? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #227

I do no presume to tell people who have not had a particular experience... Major Nikon May 2014 #230

You have no business telling pregnant women what its like and how they should handle it VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #231

So were back full circle now Major Nikon May 2014 #237

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Yes! "white Dudes" shouldn't offer any thoughts on how to address issues of privilege at all. hughee99 May 2014 #20

I guess you miss the part where the actual persons who experience racism boston bean May 2014 #21

So you don't think people's opinions should be dismissed? hughee99 May 2014 #23

Yep, I did. and now I return to you to your regularly scheduled programming of boston bean May 2014 #27

I didn't say anything about the validity of anyone's opinion, nor did I sugget dismissing ANYONE's hughee99 May 2014 #30

It's ok for any one to discuss issues of race boston bean May 2014 #32

So your issue is with the denial of racial issues, then. hughee99 May 2014 #44

the subject at hand is White Dude Privilege..... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #46

Also, it is quite presumptuous for any white person to be proclaiming the CURE boston bean May 2014 #49

totally agree with you Boston Bean! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #56

"White men ought not be telling minorities how and why they should feel" Okay, and perhaps.......... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #118

on discrimination....white men have the market pretty much cornered VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #178

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Well... cyberswede May 2014 #28

Well they both exist... Agschmid May 2014 #31

Yes n/t arcane1 May 2014 #45

both...so don't be confused VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #47

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Uh. Huh. uppityperson May 2014 #53

why are you feeling "scolded"? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #54

Are males privileged to females? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #60

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That is YOUR question not mine... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #75

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I am saying if you are White and male....you are very privileged indeed! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #87

Do you deny the existence of institutionalized privilege based on skin color, gender or sexual uppityperson May 2014 #92

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At least you now say you recognize privilege exists but wtf? uppityperson May 2014 #101

White females have privilege compared to black females cyberswede May 2014 #77

So? bravenak May 2014 #62

And then it behooves white women, KitSileya May 2014 #184

Good post. bravenak May 2014 #221

Well this thread appears to be about specific posts by specific people gollygee May 2014 #98

I can't blame you for being confused; a lot of this banter fails to make complete sense anyway. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #59

funny how it is only confusing to a few White males.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #65

At least this time uppityperson May 2014 #80

very true....I guess that is a step...a baby one but still VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #81

Awaiting the Magnum Opus/op. uppityperson May 2014 #96

and funny how it is just banter if one group expresses their life experience and reactions to same stage left May 2014 #99

As a now middle aged white man who has spent his whole life The Second Stone May 2014 #29

But, it is ok and we should all just remain quiet boston bean May 2014 #38

Personally, I find this "white privilege" meme in the abstract to be viciously The Second Stone May 2014 #123

Why would you .....have you personally committed racism? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #177

I'm a person of plaid complexion with notions that I express The Second Stone May 2014 #222

You are calling ME racist when all I am doing is pointing out the truth... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #225

I think that the way the "white male privilege" debate is being The Second Stone May 2014 #242

I just showed you why....but here it is again.....please pay attention VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #243

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Denying their experience and controlling the language boston bean May 2014 #192

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Denying their experiences and historical and current day struggles boston bean May 2014 #194

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It is your problem that you are so distrustful of black persons, boston bean May 2014 #198

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If you've spent your life fighting for equality, then you've already done more than most of us. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #131

I don't want to see the current "white privilege" meme The Second Stone May 2014 #137

Oh my. bravenak May 2014 #37

... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #132

this is a bogus way to discuss this issue Enrique May 2014 #43

Only to those that are offended by the term White male privilege... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #48

100% totally wrong Enrique May 2014 #50

Apparently NOT... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #58

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It evolved in the 3 hours that you've been here? cyberswede May 2014 #69

it's been a slow run uppityperson May 2014 #73

LMAO arcane1 May 2014 #82

No we didn't...because you can be both and receive privilege from both VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #70

Bullshit. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #216

Yep. The "white privilege" discussion is becoming poisonous. Eleanors38 May 2014 #55

Does *any* one group really have *all* the cure for "white privilege"? AverageJoe90 May 2014 #57

One must agree an issue exists before they put their weight behind it. boston bean May 2014 #61

Nobody said they did. But we need to stop splitting hairs over what to label the problem nomorenomore08 May 2014 #133

Okay lets call it White Male Advantage.....does that suit your sensibilities? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #179

I wasn't one of the ones arguing against anybody's framing. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #180

Okay thank you for clarifying....I did misunderstand then sorry.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #182

If only our presidential and congressional candidates adopted white privilege as a campaign theme. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #64

That sounds just like how some democrats handled gay marriage. boston bean May 2014 #76

Gay marriage is an actual policy position. What's the policy associated with white privilege? Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #88

Gay marriage wasn't achieved by people keeping their mouths shut. boston bean May 2014 #95

My insult was a direct response to yours. I even used the same sentence structure. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #110

Thank the lord! nt boston bean May 2014 #111

Best reply I've seen! Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #90

Your post, to me, comes off as if you're saying that 'white dudes' have nothing to contribute penultimate May 2014 #66

Wow, I wish persons who are so critical of what I write would boston bean May 2014 #72

I'm reading through the thread and it's still unclear. penultimate May 2014 #91

well, sorry, it's not more clear to you. But it certainly is clear to many others. boston bean May 2014 #102

Bilge. An idea is an idea is an idea; the colour of the person putting it forward is irrelevant. N.T Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #68

My solution is Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #78

The cure won't come SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #79

How did the president get some and noone else? Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #93

I like that better! SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #119

So what makes you think social class is so important, but race is irrelevant? nomorenomore08 May 2014 #134

I agree SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #140

I don't doubt that plenty of people of all backgrounds sabotage whatever chances they may have nomorenomore08 May 2014 #172

Individual effort SevenSixtyTwo May 2014 #186

Claiming a "white dude" can't authentically contribute to a discussion about privilege is BS. TeacherB87 May 2014 #83

Just so happens to be it is a white dude (s) boston bean May 2014 #85

Your overgeneralization is offensive. TeacherB87 May 2014 #94

So, you don't like the (s) on the end of dudes. ok. boston bean May 2014 #97

... cyberswede May 2014 #105

LOL! boston bean May 2014 #108

I don't making sweeping generalizations about a group of people based on the actions of a few. TeacherB87 May 2014 #115

Then "authentically contribute." No one's stopping you, or me. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #135

I have already in several threads...here is an example. Let me know what you think. TeacherB87 May 2014 #143

I think you're on the right track, absolutely. What trips some people up is that "privilege" doesn't nomorenomore08 May 2014 #173

As a white dude myself... jmondine May 2014 #89

Tired of people bitching for the sake of bitching. Calista241 May 2014 #107

"But I'm sick of people lambasting me for my whiteness. I didn't choose to be white." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #136

Good post laundry_queen May 2014 #220

I ran this OP through Google Translate... Zenlitened May 2014 #104

Do you save your comments for only maligning one side of the argument? boston bean May 2014 #106

. Egnever May 2014 #109

Generally, yes. The side I oppose or disagree with. Zenlitened May 2014 #113

No, you answered just fine. thanks. boston bean May 2014 #114

I guess we need the solution white-splained to us mwrguy May 2014 #112

I'd be interested in hearing ANYONE'S cure, regardless of sex, gender, or color... Shandris May 2014 #116

"I'd be interested in hearing ANYONE'S cure, regardless of sex, gender, or color..." This, x1,000. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #117

The problem I have with discussing "white privilege" Blue_In_AK May 2014 #120

Actually I can agree with this. Xyzse May 2014 #122

Try this. redqueen May 2014 #124

I know you seldom respond to me, but as a matter of point... Shandris May 2014 #129

I think that is the approach of those denying privilege BainsBane May 2014 #139

I care about what everyone has to say about racism. Shandris May 2014 #164

I don't pretend to know the solution for white privilege Fumesucker May 2014 #141

Who are "These white dudes" AgingAmerican May 2014 #144

And they are willing to share that cure Capt. Obvious May 2014 #145

What about us Jew dudes can we give an input or is strictly for others? dilby May 2014 #155

Sure if its not diminishing the experience of those who live the negative effects boston bean May 2014 #159

So in your opinion I have to declare someone priviledged based on the pigmantation of their skin. dilby May 2014 #162

No, I think one who denies white privilege boston bean May 2014 #163

Then we have lost and the 1% has won. dilby May 2014 #165

I'm not siding with the 1%. boston bean May 2014 #166

I am a Jew we make up 2% of this country. dilby May 2014 #168

Join the club then. What the hell is it you think I'm doing? boston bean May 2014 #169

You think siding with people of color is siding with the 1%? gollygee May 2014 #197

One hell of a leap of logic there, gollygee......nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #212

I always thought it was in bad taste Shankapotomus May 2014 #167

You rang? rrneck May 2014 #171

So here's a test.... Buddyblazon May 2014 #185

I like when anyone thinks they know what's best for someone else IronLionZion May 2014 #188

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