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Xolodno

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66. Ok then...

Wed May 14, 2014, 12:13 PM

May 2014

So on one hand you imply the installation of Yats and manner of impeachment was necessary because of the "vulnerable government"....

...and then you agree with me that the government could still maintain stability.

...and ignore everything else.

Appears to me, you created this thread for three reasons:

1. The sole purpose to scream "that it wasn't a coup"...when it obviously was.

2. The vast majority of the country wants to be westernized (and accept some serious austerity) when in reality around 40% (give or take a few) the population does not want to go this route (and I would argue more if they really knew the economic costs).

3. Claim falsely that the US government had no involvement (despite the infamous F the EU).

Well then...I think were done

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Wanted: Proof that what happened in Ukraine actually constituted a "western sponsored coup." [View all] Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 OP

Give it time.... go west young man May 2014 #1

SQUIRREL!!!!!!! Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #4

so you got nothing? snooper2 May 2014 #5

The Squirrel....has done his home work..... go west young man May 2014 #9

you do get everything backwards LOL, winter is coming :P snooper2 May 2014 #10

Yeah the masquerade took me years to pull off.... go west young man May 2014 #13

Don't forget to pack up all your valuable oil paintings. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #15

The Squirrel: The Hound's less imposing brother on Game of Thrones? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #14

Well at this point it's plain to see he feared for his life.. go west young man May 2014 #20

He feared for his life so much he took all day packing up his oil paintings and antique furniture? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #22

Do you ever post anything that isn't blatantly anti-American? Adrahil May 2014 #12

I'm not a nationalist... go west young man May 2014 #16

OK, then let's see you turn some of your "truth-seeking" on Putin's Russia. Adrahil May 2014 #21

Russia doesn't have military bases all over the world, ronnie624 May 2014 #28

Our actions do not occur in a vacuum. Adrahil May 2014 #86

The US spends more money on its military, than any other country on earth, ronnie624 May 2014 #98

Like most issues, this one isn;t black and white. Adrahil May 2014 #120

Our actions do not occur in a vacuum. Adrahil May 2014 #87

Russia has plenty of problems.... go west young man May 2014 #32

I'll be glad to reduce the military budget. Adrahil May 2014 #90

Your first half of your post actually seemed to make a little sense.... go west young man May 2014 #130

"did you serve or are you serving now?" NCTraveler May 2014 #36

My point is I have a right as an American go west young man May 2014 #56

Sure you do. And I have the right to call bullshit. Adrahil May 2014 #88

The girls in the band went into a private church go west young man May 2014 #131

I have no clue what your military time has to do with your right to speak your mind. NCTraveler May 2014 #104

I don't bellieve your claims. You are making a big mistake in your writing that someone with your okaawhatever May 2014 #57

Soon you''ll be asking to see my birth certificate. go west young man May 2014 #80

This confers no special rights or insight to you. None. Zero. Ikonoklast May 2014 #82

wow 3 whole years Duckhunter935 May 2014 #103

Maybe you could form a committee to get to the bottom of these unAmerican activities. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #59

after the flag waving TorchTheWitch May 2014 #71

yeah that un 'murkin accusation just creeps me the fuck out m-lekktor May 2014 #135

Sadly Du is no longer very progressive.... go west young man May 2014 #138

Cue: "Jeopardy" theme music. riqster May 2014 #2

"What are Victoria Nuland's cookies?" Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #6

I'll stick with Thin Mints. riqster May 2014 #23

It's the anti-American/pro-Putin version geek tragedy May 2014 #3

+100 nt okaawhatever May 2014 #7

It reminds me of September 11th conspiracy theorists. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #81

Agreed. freshwest May 2014 #83

Boom! Cha May 2014 #99

... davidpdx May 2014 #101

That too. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #123

I'm not going to hold my breath for this Tommy. Unless you take RT or RU a a source I don't okaawhatever May 2014 #8

I mean, the video evidence is right there. Right there. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #11

No, it's a guy running from failure. (something Putin did not approve of) As Matthew Henry said: okaawhatever May 2014 #67

I blame Messer Chups Orrex May 2014 #17

So you'd like us to provide classified CIA docs? TBF May 2014 #18

Then if there's no proof, as you say, perhaps you might want to refrain from jumping to conclusions. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #19

It's not that there is no proof - TBF May 2014 #26

One very simple question: Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #27

Yes he was and I'd love to know who is funding that group of Nazis - TBF May 2014 #31

So you have no evidence that shows Yanukovych was forcibly removed by a small group? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #33

FFS, this is inane. TBF May 2014 #41

It's inane to speculate on CIA documents that you don't know to even exist. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #44

Even if the CIA fostered something, the events were not a coup. joshcryer May 2014 #93

Mincing words. nt TBF May 2014 #106

That would be you. joshcryer May 2014 #108

What a silly OP. former9thward May 2014 #24

"Coup" is a very strong word. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #25

Yanukovych was a corrupt crook. former9thward May 2014 #29

I'm not denying that what happened wasn't "regime change" or even a "revolution"... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #30

Here's Stephen Cohen using it yesterday.... go west young man May 2014 #35

Well good for him. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #37

Right after you provide proof that Crimea's referendum LittleBlue May 2014 #34

But first let's talk about how that 'majority' came to be the majority, via ethnic cleansing... Bluenorthwest May 2014 #38

England did the same thing in Ireland LittleBlue May 2014 #52

Thank you for some common sense. nt. polly7 May 2014 #64

........ Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #39

You're assuming my question is genuine and not LittleBlue May 2014 #63

Of course you're not demanding proof. You clearly haven't provided any proof of your own assertions. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #73

Simple.... Xolodno May 2014 #40

Except that doesn't account for the lack of force or urgency surrounding his departure. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #43

You contradicted yourself. Xolodno May 2014 #49

"There was still a Parliament that could have ran the institutions and even negotiate on behalf..." Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #50

Ok then... Xolodno May 2014 #66

It wasn't "obviously" a coup just because you said so. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #72

When Marcos fled the Philippines in 1986 he was not impeached after he left. He was replaced. pampango May 2014 #53

As I said in another post... Xolodno May 2014 #61

"This isn't a case where the vast majority of the nation wanted the guy gone." Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #75

You really do have the horse blinders on.... Xolodno May 2014 #77

Russian interference in Ukraine is quite tangible. US interference not as much. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #79

Wow....put words into my mouth will ya? Xolodno May 2014 #92

So the US is leading an Iraq-style invasion of Ukraine? What? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #119

Well stated... go west young man May 2014 #76

Thanks... Xolodno May 2014 #78

I'm of a slightly different school of thought on that one.... go west young man May 2014 #89

Yes it did have the mark of good organization. Xolodno May 2014 #97

And the financing and training.... go west young man May 2014 #133

Impeachments are political processes. joshcryer May 2014 #94

On 2/20 parliament voted 236-2 to condemn the violence, ban the use of weapons against protesters, pampango May 2014 #42

The video showed a very calm and orderly packing process for Yanukovych on February 21st. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #45

I flat out don't need "proof" that will nilesobek May 2014 #46

Well, that's very scientific of you. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #47

I acknowledge that criticism and find nilesobek May 2014 #48

Again, the nature of the coup is typically violent. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #51

Point taken. He doesn't look particularly alarmed. nilesobek May 2014 #55

In the interest of full disclosure, yeah I do have a special interest. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #60

I feel for you and sympathize. nilesobek May 2014 #65

Thank you. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #68

Well, it might explain Turbineguy May 2014 #54

It was not the way the government was supposed to be changed. There were rules. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #58

Except leaders typically don't pack up their oil paintings and leave the country, either. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #62

Part of the problem was the Constitution was basically designed to not allow impeachment to okaawhatever May 2014 #69

The "ad hoc" part could mean anything. joshcryer May 2014 #96

Presidents aren't supposed to use the army to mow down geek tragedy May 2014 #70

Laws, really. And Putin is to blame for those Ukrainian Protestors/Insurgents/Freedom Fighters KoKo May 2014 #85

Here's a good article on Putin's actions recently.... go west young man May 2014 #91

The rules were followed. joshcryer May 2014 #95

Just like Richard Nixon wasn't supposed to leave office, right? brooklynite May 2014 #105

And we all knew that Gerald Ford was illegitimate because he was unelected. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #110

Related Washington Post article: What did Yanukovych take with him as he fled his mansion? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #74

You Insult what you call a "fair handful of people" then want them to prove something KoKo May 2014 #84

But the "western sponsored coup" narrative is by its very nature a conspiracy theory. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #113

Well...you could do some background reading by reporters familiar with the situation KoKo May 2014 #117

I've done reading of many materials from many different sources. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #118

it's like you're talking to a brick wall, isn't it? dionysus May 2014 #124

I can't help but think of Brawndo. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #125

Thank you for this OP, Tommy. I've read about your personal history Cha May 2014 #100

I'll second what Cha said davidpdx May 2014 #102

Thanks. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #114

"the propaganda from the anti-American pro-putin faction" TBF May 2014 #107

You enter that crowd the instant you claim "coup." joshcryer May 2014 #109

Is that your anarchist perspective? TBF May 2014 #112

The people in Kiev got 90% of what they wanted. joshcryer May 2014 #127

I'm not a fan of Putin - TBF May 2014 #128

Capitalists are on both sides. joshcryer May 2014 #129

No I didn't mean to suggest Russia is communist - TBF May 2014 #132

The workers are anti-Kremlin. joshcryer May 2014 #134

Again one-sided - TBF May 2014 #136

Yeah, roll those eyes.. you with your "rhetorical" question. Cha May 2014 #121

Thank you very much. And Snyder is an excellent, excellent read. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #111

You're most Welcome, Tommy. Tim Snyder is brilliant. Cha May 2014 #122

114 Replies (before mine) and nothing in the same universe as proof offered. stevenleser May 2014 #115

Lots of red herrings and non-sequiturs, though. nt Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #116

kick & recommended. William769 May 2014 #126

***Something just floored me about the timeline of events that I didn't realize before.*** Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #137