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In reply to the discussion: Stories of Karl Rove being a child molester are untrue [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)97. That Hillary got paid $200,000 each for two speeches to Wall Street rich guys is absolutely true.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/hillary-clinton-speeches-pay_n_3582868.html
How long does it take a person earning $7.25 per hour to earn $200,000 (before taxes).
27,586.20 hours or about 13 years.
How can a person who earns in one evening's speech what a minimum wage-earner earns in 13 years understand what matters to the large percentage of Americans who now earn minimum wage.
Let's do the numbers again assuming a minimum wage of $15 per hour.
Takes the worker 13,333.33 hours or approximately 6 years plus to earn $200,000.
We have a problem. Hillary needs to demonstrate to us that her loyalties are to all of us, to those of us earning minimum wage as well as to those of us earning Wall Street millions.
Considering her record, her affection for H1-B visas, her close ties to Wall Street, etc., it is going to be difficult. She talks the talk, but she has not shown that she will walk the walk.
She has not strongly supported unions.
On the other hand, Elizabeth Warren is a strong supporter of the middle class and knows what it is to be a struggling mother with a kid in a sub-standard day care and very little money.
I support Elizabeth Warren for president.
If Hillary stood up for little people and didn't just talk about the poor, if she had a background as a union organizer, or an advocate for ordinary people facing bankruptcy, if she had any of the experience that Elizabeth Warren has that is relevant to the concerns of Americans today, then I would support her.
She is vulnerable to lies and gossip because people don't especially warm up to her. I'm sure she is very nice, but she does not have Bill Clinton's personality. Sorry. Gossip is horrible. But gossip is most easily believed if you don't like the person in the first place.
Hillary was a good Secretary of State, but if you think she will be given credit for that, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Hillary was a loyal wife, but if you think she will be given credit for that . . . .
And then every error that Bill Clinton made, and he made some doozies like the repeal of Glass-Steagall will be held against Hillary. That's not gossip. That's the record. That's not a lie.
NAFTA, Glass-Steagall, the dot.com mania, the reappointment of Greenspan, the overheating of the economy, the changes in the welfare laws that came to harm a lot of people when unemployment was high, all these things and more will be topics for partisan politics if we nominate Hillary. It may not seem fair, but it is reality.
If the Republicans nominate a really bad candidate, Hillary will win. But if they nominate someone rational, it will be a tough race and Hillary could easily lose. I'm sorry to bear the bad news, but let's don't give the Republicans the chance to run on past sins.
Let's run on economic issues and fairness, on what is happening to the middle class thanks to the Republicans in Congress and the Bush administration tax policies.
Let's run on the misdeeds of Wall Street, not their money.
How long does it take a person earning $7.25 per hour to earn $200,000 (before taxes).
27,586.20 hours or about 13 years.
How can a person who earns in one evening's speech what a minimum wage-earner earns in 13 years understand what matters to the large percentage of Americans who now earn minimum wage.
Let's do the numbers again assuming a minimum wage of $15 per hour.
Takes the worker 13,333.33 hours or approximately 6 years plus to earn $200,000.
We have a problem. Hillary needs to demonstrate to us that her loyalties are to all of us, to those of us earning minimum wage as well as to those of us earning Wall Street millions.
Considering her record, her affection for H1-B visas, her close ties to Wall Street, etc., it is going to be difficult. She talks the talk, but she has not shown that she will walk the walk.
She has not strongly supported unions.
On the other hand, Elizabeth Warren is a strong supporter of the middle class and knows what it is to be a struggling mother with a kid in a sub-standard day care and very little money.
I support Elizabeth Warren for president.
If Hillary stood up for little people and didn't just talk about the poor, if she had a background as a union organizer, or an advocate for ordinary people facing bankruptcy, if she had any of the experience that Elizabeth Warren has that is relevant to the concerns of Americans today, then I would support her.
She is vulnerable to lies and gossip because people don't especially warm up to her. I'm sure she is very nice, but she does not have Bill Clinton's personality. Sorry. Gossip is horrible. But gossip is most easily believed if you don't like the person in the first place.
Hillary was a good Secretary of State, but if you think she will be given credit for that, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Hillary was a loyal wife, but if you think she will be given credit for that . . . .
And then every error that Bill Clinton made, and he made some doozies like the repeal of Glass-Steagall will be held against Hillary. That's not gossip. That's the record. That's not a lie.
NAFTA, Glass-Steagall, the dot.com mania, the reappointment of Greenspan, the overheating of the economy, the changes in the welfare laws that came to harm a lot of people when unemployment was high, all these things and more will be topics for partisan politics if we nominate Hillary. It may not seem fair, but it is reality.
If the Republicans nominate a really bad candidate, Hillary will win. But if they nominate someone rational, it will be a tough race and Hillary could easily lose. I'm sorry to bear the bad news, but let's don't give the Republicans the chance to run on past sins.
Let's run on economic issues and fairness, on what is happening to the middle class thanks to the Republicans in Congress and the Bush administration tax policies.
Let's run on the misdeeds of Wall Street, not their money.
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100% correct, Ohio was so stolen it makes me sick, and "Some People Say Karl is a Rapist"
randys1
May 2014
#27
He's planted a seed. That is what he wanted. He also wanted people to actually believe Hillary
okaawhatever
May 2014
#12
But with so many people discussing these child molestation charges, can they all be false?
Doctor_J
May 2014
#14
Well, personally, I'm going to stop mentioning that Rove is a child molester.
Arugula Latte
May 2014
#23
His being a child molester is an allegation which Karl Rove prefers not to discuss publicly.
GoneFishin
May 2014
#39
Some people say Karl Rove paid off children he molested, he bought their silence. nt
MADem
May 2014
#59
Well...it does lead one to wonder if this was the reason for his wife divorcing him....
arthritisR_US
May 2014
#71
Of course they're untrue. He's more into sheep, goats, and other domesticated livestock.
Arugula Latte
May 2014
#22
Almost as ridiculous as saying Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#24
I'd be inclined to edit it to: Stories of Karl Rove being a child molester are not yet proved. n/t
Gore1FL
May 2014
#35
Fair point--we really do not know for certain if Karl Rove is a child molester... or not.
MADem
May 2014
#67
The Big Lie. Tell it big, loud And proud. No matter what, it will stick with some people forever.
merrily
May 2014
#38
To be fair, I should give the other side to that: Others say it is only several dozen.
Arugula Latte
May 2014
#84
I heard it whispered by others it is also untrue that he fondled small creatures for sexual relief.
marble falls
May 2014
#50
Child molester or misunderstood loner ? The truth lies somewhere in between. nt
eppur_se_muova
May 2014
#62
I think Anonymous should take a peek at his personal computer. We might be surprised (or not)
rhett o rick
May 2014
#68
If he doesn't hand over his computer, we'll know for sure he is a child molester.
Arugula Latte
May 2014
#85
Very true. But to be fair (not to mention ironic) the Democrats have HELPED. Mainly by belittling
TrollBuster9090
May 2014
#80
I didn't say Karl Rove was a child molester. I said he was seen in the vicinity of small children,
silvershadow
May 2014
#83
Chances are that his odd behavior is not explained by syphilitic dementia, but one can never be
Thor_MN
May 2014
#96
That Hillary got paid $200,000 each for two speeches to Wall Street rich guys is absolutely true.
JDPriestly
May 2014
#97
I'm tempted to put your headline as a footnote to every posting I make . . .
MrModerate
May 2014
#118
four ways Democrats and progressives can challenge the talk radio lying before the 2014 elections
certainot
May 2014
#138
One popular internet site has over 100 comments about unconfirmed rumors that Rove is a pedophile.
GoneFishin
May 2014
#139