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In reply to the discussion: Photos of an NSA “upgrade” factory show Cisco router getting implant [View all]WillyT
(72,631 posts)7. Because... WE DON'T TRUST THEM !!!!
And the long history of lies and deceit doesn't help matters now.
The Church Committee was the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, a U.S. Senate committee chaired by Senator Frank Church (D-ID) in 1975. A precursor to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the committee investigated intelligence gathering for illegality by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) after certain activities had been revealed by the Watergate affair.
By the early years of the 1970s, the unpopularity of the Vietnam War and the unfolding Watergate scandal brought the era of minimal oversight to an abrupt halt.[according to whom?] The United States Congress was determined to rein in the Nixon administration and to ascertain the extent to which the nation's intelligence agencies had been involved in questionable, if not outright illegal, activities.
A series of troubling revelations started to appear in the press concerning intelligence activities. First came the revelations of Christopher Pyle in January 1970 of the U.S. Army's spying on the civilian population[1][2] and Sam Ervin's Senate investigations produced more revelations.[3] Then on December 22, 1974, The New York Times published a lengthy article by Seymour Hersh detailing operations engaged in by the CIA over the years that had been dubbed the "family jewels". Covert action programs involving assassination attempts against foreign leaders and covert attempts to subvert foreign governments were reported for the first time. In addition, the article discussed efforts by intelligence agencies to collect information on the political activities of US citizens.[4]
These revelations convinced many Senators and Representatives that the Congress itself had been too lax, trusting, and naive in carrying out its oversight responsibilities.
By the early years of the 1970s, the unpopularity of the Vietnam War and the unfolding Watergate scandal brought the era of minimal oversight to an abrupt halt.[according to whom?] The United States Congress was determined to rein in the Nixon administration and to ascertain the extent to which the nation's intelligence agencies had been involved in questionable, if not outright illegal, activities.
A series of troubling revelations started to appear in the press concerning intelligence activities. First came the revelations of Christopher Pyle in January 1970 of the U.S. Army's spying on the civilian population[1][2] and Sam Ervin's Senate investigations produced more revelations.[3] Then on December 22, 1974, The New York Times published a lengthy article by Seymour Hersh detailing operations engaged in by the CIA over the years that had been dubbed the "family jewels". Covert action programs involving assassination attempts against foreign leaders and covert attempts to subvert foreign governments were reported for the first time. In addition, the article discussed efforts by intelligence agencies to collect information on the political activities of US citizens.[4]
These revelations convinced many Senators and Representatives that the Congress itself had been too lax, trusting, and naive in carrying out its oversight responsibilities.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee
We need to do this again.
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Photos of an NSA “upgrade” factory show Cisco router getting implant [View all]
grahamhgreen
May 2014
OP
You stated where you think the NSA should be reigned in? And its operations overseen
villager
May 2014
#34
Ah yes, "the NSA isn't violating any laws! The 'courts' are keeeping them in check!"
villager
May 2014
#40
I'd imagine many more alternative exist; e.g., a dogmatic hack, possibly...
LanternWaste
May 2014
#12
after reading this thread so far, it's interesting the person trying to have an actual discussion
KittyWampus
May 2014
#77
Yes, we understand - they are spying on the wrong people, inciting wars, and destabilizing the world
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#47
No. I do understand your points. I hope you understand mine. What I'd like to see is evidence
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#102
Yes. Why? They work for me and have zero credibility. They've jumped the shark and are over their
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#104
So does a police state. They work for us. They are spying on us. They failed on 9-11 & Iraq. They
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#107
Sure, but the NSA should not be performing them. They seem to have been corrupted by the neo-cons.
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#109
Would you keep going back to the same doctors once you figured out that nothing was wrong with you,
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#111
In my view, the NSA is not providing intelligence for the American people. They are willfully
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#121
What part of the NSA Charter allows them to gather intelligence on US Citizens domestically?
Savannahmann
May 2014
#71
Except they didnt show up until after someone posted a taunt that was sure to draw them in
cstanleytech
May 2014
#44
I'm disappointed. I thought for sure you'd go with your 'there is no proof' argument.
DesMoinesDem
May 2014
#24
I object that you didn't claim that the NSA newsletter wasn't proof of anything.
DesMoinesDem
May 2014
#28
nice to see the NSA use the baby blue console cable like the rest of the world
snooper2
May 2014
#20
I'm SHOCKED, SCHOCKED I SAY That our spy agencies actually, you know, SPY! eom
MohRokTah
May 2014
#60
I would agree with you. What is described in the story does NOT violate the 4th
MohRokTah
May 2014
#58
No, the traitors who shipped all our chip manufacturing to China deserve prison!
grahamhgreen
May 2014
#53
Exactly. It's a strange, narrow panic-response, causing more and more rhetorical knots
villager
May 2014
#69