Wanted: Proof that what happened in Ukraine actually constituted a "western sponsored coup."

[Adrahil]

120. Like most issues, this one isn;t black and white.

Without a doubt, we HAVE been engaged, throughout our history, in foreign adventurism and Shenanigans. Some of which have resulted in many lived lost.

I DO NOT believe the Kyiv government can be fairly described as "far right wing" or "fascist." I think that is gross hyperbole. Are there elements of the far right there? Sure there is. But you'd have to be blind to not see things like Putin's long-held desire to recreate a Russia-centered political sphere. He has been blatantly attempting to leverage Russia's economic and military clout to force the former Soviet states back into the not-so-free orbit of Moscow. Add to this his open support for people like Bashir Assad, and the Iranians, and it is clear that Putin (a former KGB officer, I'll remind you) has every intention of reestablishing a Russian power block. That wouldn;t be so bad, if it didn't look like that power block will be based on solely on military clout, since Russia is really just an "also ran" economic power.

That's what I mean by "our actions don't occur in a vacuum." There is a context... a context of Putin-lead Russia longing for the glory days of the Soviet Empire.

The "blame America first" comment is directly directly at those who post any story, no matter how spurious the source, that might cast America in a bad light. When a person's who raison d'etre seems to be focused on an Anti-America viewpoint, I think it's legitimate to call that person on it.

I'll take people like GoWest seriously when I see them decrying a rise in Nationalist militarism (dare I say fascism) in Russia. Where they are seeking to out and out reject multiculturalism and tolerance as a matter of policy. If Obama were doing stuff like that, people like GoWest would lose their mind. But if Russia does it? Hell just yell "FASCIST" at Ukraine some more and ignore it.