The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Empowering or exploitive to women?

[seabeyond]

172. tell me where i am wrong.

because, i really do not see it.

i did not say male on male rape was not on screen. i said they handle the two differently. i said it is not graphic, explicit, drawn out. i still have not seen that. i saw pulp fiction. the scene was short. the rape last seconds. they stayed clothed. and the camera stayed on the faces.

i pulled out the three most current movies so i could get them on imbh? that gives a description. i posted it.

valhalla rising

A rape scene, which is more suggested than shown. In a hallucinatory montage, some of the images appear to show a man on top of another man, who is being pushed into the mud. The rape is not particularly noticeable if you're not aware of it, although is quite clear if you are.

blood and bone ???

Sex & Nudity
None.

the kite runner

There is one scene where a boy is beaten, restrained, and sodomized by a larger bully. It however is depicting more implicitly than graphically.


none of the three even suggest graphic. one even states not graphic.

i called up deliverance and watched the scene. they had the camera mostly on voights face. when they did shoot the rape, it was the rapists face or the victims face. they had cuts to another man standing there. they had cuts on the river and a boat coming up.

the american history. 30 sec. maybe 10 sec of rape. nothing seen but the victim face. then his head is hit on cement

now.... tattoo girl. A man puts his hand down a woman's top and then unzips his trousers. She is made to do oral sex for money. She later washes her mouth out with soap.

The woman goes to his apartment and he punches her, handcuffs her to the bed and strips her. Buttocks and pubic region are seen. He climbs on top and rapes her. Very graphic. This scene lasts for about 2 minutes with screams and strong nudity.

"Such detailed description of Salander’s rape (which, at that point, the reader is all but expecting) makes me wonder if the reader is supposed to be repulsed or titillated. Or, perhaps, both. I’m not suggesting that such description not be included in the book; I’m hardly a fan of censorship and I’ve read my fair share of material both violent and sexual. But when a scene garners so much attention and leads to interviews with Mara Rooney (the American film’s Lisbeth) that barely discuss anything but the rape scene, I start to think, “What’s the point?” Think of the movie Hounddog, which you probably know only as “the Dakota Fanning rape movie.” One of the reasons people were so upset by that was because, somewhere, some scumbag was jerking off to that scene. I certainly don’t think we should let the potential masturbation habits of perverts govern our actions (or else no one would ever make anything or put pictures of themselves on the internet), but in general, what purpose does such a scene serve? Even if Larsson, feminist that he was, meant the scene to highlight the horror of rape, the unfortunate truth is that such a scene might only serve to sexualize a crime that, despite its nature, isn’t rooted in sex at all. "

the american version is said to be even more.....

take the movie, the generals daughter. an excellent movie i would recommend. she is gang raped by the members in her group. they tie her spread eagle on posts. it shows in flash backs. but, nothing explicit or graphic. but a person knows what is happening. kinda like in the male rape movies. BUT, when she plays it out again for her general father. naked now. tied spread eagle. we get lots of shots. she is saying a heartrendering tale of her experience and her father sweeping it under the rug. but while she does this, they sexualize the whole scene. she is discribing a horrendous gang rape as we are seeing a totally sexual scene. body presented perfectly sexualized. oiled body. shots to tittilate. a little nipple her, a little arched flat stomach there.

what the fuck are they doing creating a get the guy hard scene, when she is talking gang rape.


now.... tell me where i am wrong.