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131. It has got both good and bad parts to it, and was worse 25 years ago- the pay discrimination was

Sun May 18, 2014, 11:25 AM

May 2014

widely acknowledged by the bosses too. One boss told me he had to pay a single (10 years less inexperienced) guy as much as me when I had that job because he was dating and had to pay for the dinners. Yep, he spent more money on his salary when it didn't make sense. I think he felt more important supervising men because he didn't have much respect for women, and he could pal around with, and live vicariously through this guy. (who fucked everything up and lost his job 6 months later when they caught on)

You used to hear things like that said outright to your face in smaller companies, and worse there were inappropriate comments and harassment going on all the time too. Women had little recourse, but we would exchange stories and it was common in many fields. You can't afford to sue these people because they will get there people to cover up and have more money for lawyers. Plus, I love my field and didn't want to get blacklisted, so I just moved on.

Things have changed a lot in 25 years, and I work at a much larger company now where they actually do try to compensate women equally, and where harassment is almost non existent because they take policies those seriously and have real HR, not just an accountant. If you have always worked corporate, or weren't in the market 15-25 years ago, or are a man, I could see how you'd doubt things were that bad and that common. But they were.

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Which Part of a Woman is 23% less than a Man? [View all] sheshe2 May 2014 OP

This is completely and totally false taught_me_patience May 2014 #1

You have a link? Here's mine~ sheshe2 May 2014 #2

Again, they are using an "average" fulll time male vs. full time female taught_me_patience May 2014 #5

It is true BainsBane May 2014 #9

Men CHOSE RobinA May 2014 #57

I'd like to see people doing unskilled work get a little parity Major Nikon May 2014 #58

You're changing the subject instead of addressing the issue. And everyone knows why. nt redqueen May 2014 #61

So why didn't you address this to the person in which I was replying? Major Nikon May 2014 #64

Is it because, as you've repeatedly posted, sometimes no means yes? redqueen May 2014 #65

And I've said repeatedly those were the claims of two academic feminists Major Nikon May 2014 #67

You posted that 'study' to defend the claims of Warren Farrell, that sometimes date rapists were redqueen May 2014 #70

Sounds like you're the one confused Major Nikon May 2014 #73

LOL, you're posting shit from some other site that who knows who posted it... and how long ago? redqueen May 2014 #74

"who knows who posted it" Major Nikon May 2014 #77

While I Don't Disagree RobinA May 2014 #68

Do you think it's harder to find someone to make beds Major Nikon May 2014 #69

I Was Responding to Your Examples RobinA May 2014 #71

Your point completely ignores the law of supply and demand Major Nikon May 2014 #76

"When half of the work pool is simply not going after certain jobs..." bettyellen May 2014 #78

They aren't for the same reason women aren't applying for jobs roofing houses Major Nikon May 2014 #79

And not because they KNOW they can make double the pay unskilled? LOL, sure thing. bettyellen May 2014 #81

So women don't know this too? Major Nikon May 2014 #83

If it paid the same as roofing, they would. hughee99 May 2014 #85

Don't Know Why RobinA May 2014 #86

Managers aren't always the smartest guys in the room Major Nikon May 2014 #90

I need more facts joeglow3 May 2014 #118

How many hotel workers fall off a roof and die? joeglow3 May 2014 #116

A friend of mine was a welder when she was younger FrodosPet May 2014 #141

Do you really want someone to explain why skilled workers are paid higher wages? Taitertots May 2014 #107

Sure Major Nikon May 2014 #108

McDonald's CEO isn't a skilled worker. I thought you ment engineers, Welders, electricians.... Taitertots May 2014 #110

So why don't they pick up CEOs at the unemployment office? Major Nikon May 2014 #113

I'll take your post as an indication that you either understand why skilled employees get higher... Taitertots May 2014 #114

Both actually Major Nikon May 2014 #115

You asked it. I asked if you wanted it explained to you. You replied that you did. Taitertots May 2014 #117

"pay so much more" is the key phrase here Major Nikon May 2014 #127

Fascinating - the 'Mens Ten' are all (almost) F'ing w/ the planet+ ppl... alittlelark May 2014 #125

Here is another taught_me_patience May 2014 #6

6.6 cents on the dollar isn't really "almost equal" hfojvt May 2014 #20

I don't think anyone questions the pay equality for civil service workers, it exists mainly where okaawhatever May 2014 #25

6.6 on the dollar is a real issue taught_me_patience May 2014 #39

Exactly Why RobinA May 2014 #87

Even set pay scales don't guarantee equal pay Major Nikon May 2014 #94

Another by the Christina Hoff Sommers? DanTex May 2014 #60

She's very popular with certain posters here. nt redqueen May 2014 #62

Are you arguing she lied about the results of the study? joeglow3 May 2014 #119

Obama pays his female staff 88 cents on the dollar compared to his male staff Major Nikon May 2014 #59

"Full-time" Men work 5 more hours per week. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #129

Not to mention all the work women do for "free" RainDog May 2014 #3

All parts together, by weight Silent3 May 2014 #4

Utterly bogus, and has been comprehensively debunked. Nye Bevan May 2014 #7

So the President and VP BainsBane May 2014 #11

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #14

not entirely hfojvt May 2014 #16

No, they say it exactly like the OP does BainsBane May 2014 #21

Hey, BainsBane. sheshe2 May 2014 #50

Please see my OP regarding evidence StrongBad May 2014 #95

If the shoe fits joeglow3 May 2014 #120

Justifies BainsBane May 2014 #122

So, how do we know a gap even exists joeglow3 May 2014 #123

But if they use that figure all the time then Nye's question is valid, no? HornBuckler May 2014 #22

If you have a link where the President or VP uses the phrase "for the exact same work", Nye Bevan May 2014 #30

How would anyone know, since Republicans blocked the Fair Pay Act Bandit May 2014 #43

bogus huh? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #12

Yes, totally false. Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #15

statistics mean nothing now? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #36

"median annual earnings" hfojvt May 2014 #18

OH yes.....those statistics STILL stand for the 'exact same work" VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #38

being in the "same industry" does not mean doing the same job hfojvt May 2014 #41

and denial is not a river in Egypt... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #42

you should know hfojvt May 2014 #55

When was the last time you had a minimum wage job? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #106

I take it you are being deliberately obtuse. Vattel May 2014 #136

I take it you don't know me very well... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #137

Awesome reply! Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #111

that is bunk and you know it.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #138

never underestimate my own ignorance hfojvt May 2014 #142

No it wasn't based on one thing.....you need to read the thread before you post.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #143

and somehow you think YOU are smarter than ALL the experts out there on this subject... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #144

What "experts"? hfojvt May 2014 #145

Not politician or journalist experts.....Socio Scientists etc... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #147

Simple question. How many hours does the average "full time" woman work? lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #132

this is supposed to mean something..... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #148

It's not "for the same work". lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #130

Says you? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #149

here I am, reading the thread hfojvt May 2014 #146

and you know this how? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #150

that example proves me wrong? How? hfojvt May 2014 #153

YES.....did you read? that is EXACTLY what it is saying.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #154

I read something, I believe it was last year, that said women had less unemployment than men and okaawhatever May 2014 #28

There were some articles that women had gains when unemployment dropped, but the gains were bettyellen May 2014 #44

Well, their feet are usually smaller... MADem May 2014 #8

That's where the spike heels come in handy. n/t moriah May 2014 #23

Perhaps there's a market for those Knife Shoes that Frau whatsername wore in the Austin Powers MADem May 2014 #48

I will happily rec this sheshe. William769 May 2014 #10

Kick and recc'd VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #13

The sad thing about this lie is that it's an uneccessary lie. Donald Ian Rankin May 2014 #17

it is something you will never experience, Donald noiretextatique May 2014 #19

The Simple Truth about the Gender Pay Gap (2014) etherealtruth May 2014 #27

Repeatedly saying sheshe's OP is a lie chervilant May 2014 #29

The graphic in the OP is a lie taught_me_patience May 2014 #40

It is not a lie. Major Hogwash May 2014 #100

In my case, I was making $0.86 per dollar.... moriah May 2014 #24

That is why Lily Ledbetter is so important. it makes it easier for women to sue for wage okaawhatever May 2014 #26

I understand your displeasure yeoman6987 May 2014 #31

I was the only woman on the project, remotely leading a team of 10 technicians.... moriah May 2014 #32

I am glad that you got more yeoman6987 May 2014 #33

Needs the sarcasm tag. NCTraveler May 2014 #45

Beer gut? Ego? "Mom" tattoos? WinkyDink May 2014 #34

Hair on ears. Especially in old age. Vinca May 2014 #35

Nothing, ma'am, you're the same as we are. 100%, no less. =) AverageJoe90 May 2014 #37

body hair, women have 23% less body hair then men snooper2 May 2014 #46

Speak for yourself! BainsBane May 2014 #47

Good post, sheshe2 KitSileya May 2014 #49

Whoa ismnotwasm May 2014 #51

Seriously. sheshe2 May 2014 #52

Not a single person in this thread is denying a wage gap taught_me_patience May 2014 #54

While true, why is so much of the lower wage work pushed on women and the higher MillennialDem May 2014 #56

When women are better educated, it's hard to imagine how anything is being pushed on them Major Nikon May 2014 #91

As a woman who majored in math (M.S.) I faced a decent amount of sexism. I've heard it's worse in MillennialDem May 2014 #92

The question is whether the sexism is cause or effect Major Nikon May 2014 #93

Sweden has policies that are family friendly and encourage moms to do that, here the burden is on bettyellen May 2014 #98

Social progress always lags way behind modern political and economic realities davidn3600 May 2014 #99

People are "stuck" in gender roles less and less. Perhaps in more conservative areas it will take bettyellen May 2014 #103

I don't really see how anything you posted is relevant to what I posted Major Nikon May 2014 #101

Perhaps because bearing a kid was never an option for you it's not relevant. Random my ass. bettyellen May 2014 #102

Get back to me when you come up with something better than emotional appeals Major Nikon May 2014 #105

It's an observation, LOL- but not shocked you misread that also. When you are incapable of listening bettyellen May 2014 #109

as a man who majored in math hfojvt May 2014 #97

Many professions are bending over backwards to attract and retain women joeglow3 May 2014 #121

Kewl story bro! Rex May 2014 #89

Prove it. Exactly which post are you referring to. n/t taught_me_patience May 2014 #96

Cool thoughtless meme response. nt. delta17 May 2014 #159

It's nothing new here. nt redqueen May 2014 #63

There are people here denying the baseless cause for the effect Major Nikon May 2014 #66

*grumbles* Brains, body frame, hands, feet, bone mass... 951-Riverside May 2014 #53

Everybody interested in this topic must watch this video on the subject: StrongBad May 2014 #72

Chromosomes Jenoch May 2014 #75

Nope. That second X is way bigger ... dawg May 2014 #80

It was satire. Both genders have 23 chromosoms. Jenoch May 2014 #82

I know. dawg May 2014 #84

K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex May 2014 #88

There is a pay gap shawn703 May 2014 #104

Yes, the best way for women to earn more is to negotiate hard, and turn it around... bettyellen May 2014 #112

You work in a shitty field joeglow3 May 2014 #128

It has got both good and bad parts to it, and was worse 25 years ago- the pay discrimination was bettyellen May 2014 #131

I would guess small companies are shitty. joeglow3 May 2014 #133

The advantages are you can learn so much, I was pretty much running my dept in 18 months, bettyellen May 2014 #134

Do you really want an honest answer? MohRokTah May 2014 #124

It's some of the responses to threads like this one that Lunacee_2013 May 2014 #126

who cares what the truth is? hfojvt May 2014 #151

Totally, it's not like those statistics have any real effect on people's lives or anything. Nt. Lunacee_2013 May 2014 #157

Their arm Spirochete May 2014 #135

Lots of reactionary bullshit in this thread YoungDemCA May 2014 #139

I'm doing my part to help FrodosPet May 2014 #140

Misognist psychiatriatrists invented penis envy. merrily May 2014 #152

I'm more surprised at the snotty replies, than i am about who is making them Scootaloo May 2014 #155

Eyebrows Shankapotomus May 2014 #156

I would have to say "not being in charge" and in power to Laura PourMeADrink May 2014 #158