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In reply to the discussion: Cosmos & Neil Degrasse Tyson state that Great Flood occurred in Sumeria & retold as Noah's Ark [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,640 posts)120. That 'controversial theory' doesn't actually have decent evidence for it
First of all, note that it's in a different place from the OP - the Black Sea, not Sumeria. It's also from thousands of years earlier; rather than the myth being something based on a Sumerian event (when - 2500 BC? That would be about 2000 years before written down for the bible, or perhaps 800 years before it was written down in Babylonian), this was meant to be about 5000 BC - so you're adding another 2500 years for the legend to survive, despite another change in location.
"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through".
That's not evidence - it's supposition. "He does think he may find evidence" - ie he hasn't found evidence yet. What he has found is that sea level rose, not that it was a sudden flood.
Many people have looked at this, but there isn't any evidence for catastrophic flooding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis . At some stage, the level of the Black Sea rose; but there's evidence for fresh water flowing out of the Black Sea through this period.
Also:
Alas, on the expeditions return in 2003, the blocks of daub turned out to be chunks of local stone, and the polished stone artifacts turned out to be wood wood, moreover, that gave radiocarbon dates of no more than 200 years. This was looking less and less like an actual site, but Ballard was not yet prepared to let it go: Further sampling of Site 82 is clearly necessary to confirm its archaeological nature. In 2007, however, a formal publication of Ballards Black Sea shipwrecks offhandedly dismissed Site 82 as now considered to represent a geological rather than an archaeological feature. So much for Site 82. And, since that was his only Black Sea habitation site, so much for his Noachian Atlantis.
But in a recent lecture, Ballard claimed the discovery of another submerged site not in the Black Sea, but across the Bosporus in the Aegean, off Anzac Beach, and therefore nothing to do with the hypothetical Black Sea deluge. While searching (successfully) for a Great War wreck, he spotted a circular feature 45 metres across with some sort of structure in the middle probably a site of human habitation 9000 years ago a Neolithic site, one of the oldest now discovered. His slides show something that looks remarkably geological to me, possibly a ring dyke or similar feature; at any rate, nothing that justifies Ballards blithe claim of a groundbreakingly early Neolithic site on the bed of the Aegean Sea. This does not increase my confidence in Ballards archaeological pronouncements.
http://www.skepticink.com/lateraltruth/2012/12/19/robert-ballard-goes-out-of-his-depth/
But in a recent lecture, Ballard claimed the discovery of another submerged site not in the Black Sea, but across the Bosporus in the Aegean, off Anzac Beach, and therefore nothing to do with the hypothetical Black Sea deluge. While searching (successfully) for a Great War wreck, he spotted a circular feature 45 metres across with some sort of structure in the middle probably a site of human habitation 9000 years ago a Neolithic site, one of the oldest now discovered. His slides show something that looks remarkably geological to me, possibly a ring dyke or similar feature; at any rate, nothing that justifies Ballards blithe claim of a groundbreakingly early Neolithic site on the bed of the Aegean Sea. This does not increase my confidence in Ballards archaeological pronouncements.
http://www.skepticink.com/lateraltruth/2012/12/19/robert-ballard-goes-out-of-his-depth/
My "deeply held religious beliefs" on this are that no-one has found any evidence to tie a specific event to the origin of the myth. I'd point out that the myth also include the flood receding; this would point to the author having in mind a 'normal' flood which does go away after some time, not a rise in sea level that remained for hundreds or thousands of years.
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Cosmos & Neil Degrasse Tyson state that Great Flood occurred in Sumeria & retold as Noah's Ark [View all]
E-Z-B
May 2014
OP
Great show. He's building up to a big climax of telling all the repubs that they are idiots for
FSogol
May 2014
#2
I figured he would show that Reagan wasn't give a place in the stars despite Nancy's astrology.
Spitfire of ATJ
May 2014
#54
The ancient Hebrews just filed off the serial numbers and claimed the story as their own.
hobbit709
May 2014
#5
sure but their known earth would be localized by real global standards nt
arely staircase
May 2014
#59
You are refereing to the Tihanaco ruins (and terracing) from, at most, 1500 years ago
intaglio
May 2014
#113
I have, in fact, spent time with Bible believers, and I didn't like it much.
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2014
#24
Many intriguing possibilities with ice dams. Alternatively, Mediterranean & Black Sea
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2014
#33
'Believers' already have hand-waved that away for the reason the poster above you mentioned.
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#40
Large parts of the Old Testament were written after the Babylonian exile & return.
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2014
#27
The aim of all those fundie laws to get creationism into the classroom is two-fold. First...
Moonwalk
May 2014
#69
Writing, pre-production, taping all done. Often editing is finishing an episode or two ahead. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2014
#34
Yeah. Ironically, Noah's Ark might wind up being "true" after all, in the future.
Arugula Latte
May 2014
#23
Fox TV is very separate from Fox News. Note the animated comedy shows. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
May 2014
#35
I have noticed that they credit women (finally!) for a lot of important things.
The Velveteen Ocelot
May 2014
#26
Missoula Flood is a well documented more recent glacier event.....where I now live.....
zwyziec
May 2014
#36
Not only did I see it, but I wrote down the guy's name…(Gilgemesh) (spelling?) for research. nt
silvershadow
May 2014
#41
I don't have a tv, so I didn't get to see it, but there is a class called "Heaven and Hell" taught
jtuck004
May 2014
#43
Apparently he also has a class, "A Cultural History of Beer". I suspect that one
jtuck004
May 2014
#81
It's just a learned skill. Put some things in the ground and learn about them, and don't
jtuck004
May 2014
#78
I was told by a Jewish friend that the books of the Old Testament are not meant to be
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#53
I heard that the melting of the ice may account for the legends of Atlantis. The rising waters
E-Z-B
May 2014
#62
I thought it was the creation of the Black Sea when the mediterranean rose after the ice age melt
vkkv
May 2014
#77
Mount Sinai is in the Sinai penninsula, between the Red Sea and modern-day Israel
muriel_volestrangler
May 2014
#121
I saw it, too, and loved it. I wish the series wouldn't end. Tyson is so engaging.
valerief
May 2014
#85
Please tell me he said it was a legend, and not that it 'occurred'
muriel_volestrangler
May 2014
#87
That 'controversial theory' doesn't actually have decent evidence for it
muriel_volestrangler
May 2014
#120
So far, Hiding in the Light has been my favorite episode, although I've enjoyed them all.
valerief
May 2014
#90
But it's in the Bible!! It's the the word of God!! We must believe believe believe believe
YOHABLO
May 2014
#106
You might enjoy how empowered the feminine is in this "different" telling of
truedelphi
May 2014
#116
People, thousands of years ago, trying to make sense of what happens to them and their
merrily
May 2014
#118
I still think it's more likely that the flood stories were inspired by something much larger ...
dawg
May 2014
#146
And we have no evidence that something like that happened in the Neolithic
nadinbrzezinski
May 2014
#151
I think I remember Fundamentalists rejoicing about the war in Iraq. The destruction of Babylon
E-Z-B
May 2014
#143
Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Miles O’Brien slam CNN as the ‘Wal-Mart of journalism’
napkinz
May 2014
#149
and here's a deeper discussion on Mesopotamian ties to their neighbors, yea and nay
MisterP
May 2014
#162