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In reply to the discussion: Another nude sports figure pointlessly objectified on a magazine cover [View all]Orrex
(67,170 posts)176. I was referring to the snark in my OP
And though I was not snarking, you certainly were dismissing and twisting the message of those with whom you disagree when you said, "since he and I are both victims, after all."
As to this point...
I have stated repeatedly in this thread and elsewhere that we all objectify others. The particular form of objectification will vary from person to person and situation to situation, but it's a fact. Unless you can tell me that you fully realize the individual worth and uniqueness of every person with whom you interact, then you, too, are objectifying. When you called to dispute your cellphone bill, did you take the time to learn the specific hopes and dreams of the person who answered? Or did you reduce that person to the bare minimum needed to get you through that transaction? I rather suspect the latter, and that's objectification.
You might assert that this is manifestly different, but it strikes me as a difference only in degree, and I would need someone to explain to me why I'm wrong.
Every time someone on DU mocks a Walmart customer or derides a fast food worker or dismisses a cop as a pig, that's objectification. I am not even persuaded that objectification based on sexuality is worse than any other form, and if we're talking about widespread oppression then frankly I'll assert that economic objectification is far more profound and pervasive than sex- or gender-based objectification. After all, women are 51% of the population, but the economically objectified (those treated as consumer-machines or cast aside entirely) number somewhere above 98%.
So when I poke fun at the firestorm that resulted from the SI cover, I do it knowing that each of those three models will likely earn more from that cover than I will earn in my professional lifetims. If they're being objectified and oppressed, then what the hell is being done to you and me and the rest of the 98%?
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I think if people of any gender want to get naked and other people want to see those people naked
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#21
"Most people are fundamentally selfish and entirely unwilling to examine issues...
antiquie
May 2014
#105
I've yet to hear a good answer on how it's even possible to exploit someone at $10,000 per day
Major Nikon
May 2014
#40
See, this how these conversations morph. Of course there is interest in women.
R B Garr
May 2014
#128
Sad that he goes for the pre-pubescent look. (P.S. Look closely--it's a Spanish mag, so there's no
WinkyDink
May 2014
#76
That SI cover was a long time ago. Did it take you this long (and I notice you had to go global)
Squinch
May 2014
#77
Yeah, he definitely needed to be posed in a man thong with his ass to the camera. I wonder
seaglass
May 2014
#79
I don't know who all the people are who are against it but there is some reason why
seaglass
May 2014
#206
Not sure how you found snark in my post, because there was none. But let me repeat my points:
Squinch
May 2014
#173
I read your post. Essentially you'd rather the discussion be about empathy instead.
alp227
May 2014
#242
When sexualized imagery is as constant as it is, and when it portrays only one
Squinch
May 2014
#195
I'm asking you, since you brought it up. I'll be happy to share my opinion of Orrex after you tell
msanthrope
May 2014
#155
well I say..mmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmm & I wish that irrelevant person in the sheet
misterhighwasted
May 2014
#95
Apparently, we're going with "but that's DIFFERENT!!!1!!!!!" with no followup or explanation. nt
Romulox
May 2014
#100
I think you might have missed all the posts that said, "Yes, it's exactly the same kind
Squinch
May 2014
#191
I don't see ANY of the "social justice" brigade throwing a fit, so I'm calling hypocrisy. nt
Romulox
May 2014
#213
That poster honestly isn't who I had in mind. I doubt the sincerity of others on this issue. nt
Romulox
May 2014
#223
I wonder if the bank felt objectified, when those two took their big fat checks there for
Cleita
May 2014
#172
If this post is meant to somehow imply that concern over the objectification of women
Maedhros
May 2014
#184
Different. Different. DIFFERENT!!!1!1!!!. (You are also "anti-intellectual" for noticing.) nt
Romulox
May 2014
#217
They've DOMINATED this board with whining about THIS VERY issue. Now radio silence? nt
Romulox
May 2014
#214
This anti-intellectual shit stirring op is proof that they alone do not.....
NCTraveler
May 2014
#215
Thanks for pointing out the blatantly obvious to the deliberately obtuse.
Tuesday Afternoon
May 2014
#218
what makes it even more ironically hilarious is the post below this one.
Tuesday Afternoon
May 2014
#228
Diego Simeone and Athletico are about to undress and expose C.Ronaldo completely later today
Blue_Tires
May 2014
#291