General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: Another nude sports figure pointlessly objectified on a magazine cover [View all]Squinch
(59,642 posts)sex in the vast majority of instances, it isn't that it leads to objectification, that uneven and constant representation is objectification.
This is not like saying that violent video games lead to violent behavior, it is like saying that violent video games are violent.
You say, "if I can somehow distinguish a sexualized image in a shampoo commercial from an actual living woman, then..." But that sexualized image in the shampoo commercial is an image of an ACTUAL woman. When you distinguish that sexualized image from the woman, what is it that you would call what you are doing?
You say, "Why must we infer that the advertiser is seeking to reduce the woman? " I am not inferring that the advertiser is seeking to reduce the woman. I am stating that the advertiser is seeking to sell a product. The advertiser is using the woman's body as a means to do it. The advertiser almost never uses a man's body to do so. Because a woman's body is more acceptable as a commodity in our culture.
How do I know that men have absorbed the message that women are to be used? Because they say so. Overtly. Baldly. Clearly. It really doesn't require that one psychologically screen a man to know that he has absorbed this message when he has already stated something to the effect of, "Women are only good for one thing."
You say, "on DU men are routinely told what they think and what they know and what they can't know and what they can't understand." I am sorry if it offends you, but there are things that men do not experience that women do. Just as there are things that men experience that women don't. I know how it feels to be a woman who lives in a culture that routinely uses women's bodies, and almost never men's, to sell shit. I know what it is like to run into those guys, on a regular basis, who make it clear that they think that women are only good for one thing. And you don't. I think men on DU are routinely told that there are things they can't know simply because they don't seem to want to believe that completely obvious point.