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In reply to the discussion: Anything you'd like to know about Fukushima? [View all]FBaggins
(28,706 posts)110. Did you even read it?
All you have is cheap personal attacks?
You claimed that the electrons were man-made. I told you that there was no such thing as a man-made electron. That's a simple fact and a clear factual refutation of your nonsense. Even if you care to describe some other part of the comment (intended to make you pay attention) as an "attack" (personal or otherwise... cheap or otherwise)... it's clearly not "all I have".
That electron was probably part of a hydrogen atom back at the beginning of time... then it was part of a helium atom... then through many nuclear reactions over billions of years until that same electron was part of a uranium235 atom. Then one day in a reactor, a friendly neutron came along and split that atom into Cs134, a rubidium atom (IIRC - which, btw, is where the Strontium comes from), some mass conversion to energy... and a couple more neutrons to keep the party going.
Throughout this multi-billion-year lifespan... it has been the same electron. It doesn't matter whether mankind was involved in whatever atom it's in today... it's an electron. And if it's emitted from that atom (whether natural or "man-made"
... it's a beta particle.
The impact of that beta particle on living tissue has nothing whatsoever to do with the atom that the electron last had a relationship with... not even a little bit. All that matters is what it is (an electron) and the amount of energy that it's carrying.
It doesn't matter even a little bit that CS137 didn't exist in the pacific before mankind put it there... because chemically it's identical to natural cesium that has been there... and radiologically, its beta emissions are identical to any other beta- emission with the same energy.
You claimed that the electrons were man-made. I told you that there was no such thing as a man-made electron. That's a simple fact and a clear factual refutation of your nonsense. Even if you care to describe some other part of the comment (intended to make you pay attention) as an "attack" (personal or otherwise... cheap or otherwise)... it's clearly not "all I have".
That electron was probably part of a hydrogen atom back at the beginning of time... then it was part of a helium atom... then through many nuclear reactions over billions of years until that same electron was part of a uranium235 atom. Then one day in a reactor, a friendly neutron came along and split that atom into Cs134, a rubidium atom (IIRC - which, btw, is where the Strontium comes from), some mass conversion to energy... and a couple more neutrons to keep the party going.
Throughout this multi-billion-year lifespan... it has been the same electron. It doesn't matter whether mankind was involved in whatever atom it's in today... it's an electron. And if it's emitted from that atom (whether natural or "man-made"
The impact of that beta particle on living tissue has nothing whatsoever to do with the atom that the electron last had a relationship with... not even a little bit. All that matters is what it is (an electron) and the amount of energy that it's carrying.
It doesn't matter even a little bit that CS137 didn't exist in the pacific before mankind put it there... because chemically it's identical to natural cesium that has been there... and radiologically, its beta emissions are identical to any other beta- emission with the same energy.
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Well we know the salmon are swimming through it as they swim far lenghts during season.
TheNutcracker
May 2014
#103
Asking and continually insisting that Fukushima is responsible is not the same thing.
hobbit709
May 2014
#22
I was referring to the OP continually blaming Fukushima for the starfish no matter what evidence
hobbit709
May 2014
#26
That was quite possibly one of the least comprehensible posts on Fukushima ever.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#74
Is leprechaun flatulence anywhere near as powerful as hippopotamus flatulence?
hobbit709
May 2014
#100
Here's hoping that you're really the sock-puppet that so many anti-nukes think you are
FBaggins
May 2014
#108
All I can think of when I see rationalwiki is, "Foxnews - fair and balanced news".
Rex
May 2014
#125
How anyone would promote that writer on anything but a RW hate site is beyond me.
zappaman
May 2014
#141
The Environment and Energy group is an excellent place for Fukushima discussions...
SidDithers
May 2014
#27
How will all of that mess affect the pacific nw in the us, and any place else it might wash around?
LWolf
May 2014
#20