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In reply to the discussion: A Woman With Perfect Grades Is Worth The Same As A Man With A 2.0 Average [View all]davidn3600
(6,342 posts)48. I want a statistic that controls for the same job, same hours, same family choices, etc...
Last month, President Obama repeated an often-recited line that women make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns and that a woman deserves equal pay for equal work. This isnt a new argument; politicians and others have used these types of statements for years to vilify big businesses as anti-women. Over a decade ago when she was a senator, Hillary Clinton attempted to pass the paycheck protection act, claiming it was un-American for firms to discriminate against women.
But this is misleading. The statistic Obama cites is only the average difference between men and women, across all jobs. It doesnt control for the types of job, the number of hours worked or for time taken off (to raise children, for example).
If you insist that the gender wage gap is a result of discrimination against women, here are a few other claims that must be equally true. By the same logic, young men are discriminated against in favor of young women. Women in their 20s without children out-earn men by as much as $1.08 to every dollar, according to some estimates. It must also be true that white men are discriminated against in favor of Asian-American men, who earn over 5 percent more than white men. To claim either of these as discrimination would be ridiculous, though, right? There are differences in job types, education levels, hours worked, and other factors that lead to these wage differentials. But these factors are just as responsible for the overall difference in wages between men and women.
Once you control for factors such as college major, time off of the labor force to raise children, and hours worked per week, the gender wage gap essentially disappears. A big part of the difference in pay is due to the choice of jobs: women choose to enter career fields that pay less than those that men choose. Women are still more likely to be Kindergarten teachers while men are more likely to work in finance. In short, firms arent discriminating against women. The reality remains that women, on average, do earn less than men. But to blame it on discrimination is misguided.
But this is misleading. The statistic Obama cites is only the average difference between men and women, across all jobs. It doesnt control for the types of job, the number of hours worked or for time taken off (to raise children, for example).
If you insist that the gender wage gap is a result of discrimination against women, here are a few other claims that must be equally true. By the same logic, young men are discriminated against in favor of young women. Women in their 20s without children out-earn men by as much as $1.08 to every dollar, according to some estimates. It must also be true that white men are discriminated against in favor of Asian-American men, who earn over 5 percent more than white men. To claim either of these as discrimination would be ridiculous, though, right? There are differences in job types, education levels, hours worked, and other factors that lead to these wage differentials. But these factors are just as responsible for the overall difference in wages between men and women.
Once you control for factors such as college major, time off of the labor force to raise children, and hours worked per week, the gender wage gap essentially disappears. A big part of the difference in pay is due to the choice of jobs: women choose to enter career fields that pay less than those that men choose. Women are still more likely to be Kindergarten teachers while men are more likely to work in finance. In short, firms arent discriminating against women. The reality remains that women, on average, do earn less than men. But to blame it on discrimination is misguided.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/02/24/childless-women-in-their-twenties-out-earn-men-so/
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A Woman With Perfect Grades Is Worth The Same As A Man With A 2.0 Average [View all]
kpete
May 2014
OP
The logical corollary of all of this is that going to college doesn't guarantee higher income...
Romulox
May 2014
#1
He's still active. Do we know if the alert went to the admins? I don't know how that works.
Squinch
May 2014
#33
You are seriously going to use THAT website to support your spurious claims that
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#27
No not true...even in traditionally female jobs like teaching and nursing...
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#29
NO you don't get away with it that easy.....I have read reports...and all of them find your
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#50
Actually, the results of the study you reference were not conclusive.
TampaAnimusVortex
May 2014
#56
No it doesn't ....if that were true....men in traditionally women's jobs would make less than women
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#30
I want a statistic that controls for the same job, same hours, same family choices, etc...
davidn3600
May 2014
#48