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234. If you will note my other posts on this thread

Thu May 22, 2014, 05:55 PM

May 2014

regarding them, their beliefs, and the dangerous quiverful movement, you will see that I totally agree with your premise on the dangers of their theocratic misogynistic positions and attempts to foist them on everyone else. But that has nothing to do with what they choose to name their children, which is, frankly, a very minor, inconsequential matter that has nothing to do with anything. Their dangerous beliefs are what we should focus on, and not a stupid matter of names. Focusing on the names just makes us look petty and takes away the focus from the absurdity and dangers of their true positions. There are plenty of non-quiverful, non-theocratic families that use the same system for naming their children, and there are plenty of quiverful families who don't. The names have nothing to do with anything, but the beliefs do.

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Duggars visit fertility doctor to explore having 20th kid [View all] Jesus Malverde May 2014 OP

DUers to switch into anti-choice, vagina-disparaging mode in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, ........ (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #1

there is a difference between supporting policy banning choice and giving opinon on an issue JI7 May 2014 #4

Animating trolling and flame-baiting ....NOW. Thank you for your participation. nt Hekate May 2014 #29

Very odd to have one's primary reaction be "aha I can catch geek tragedy May 2014 #43

How liberal is "Fiat through her beaver" (post 39) and "Vagina not a clown car" (post 66)? Nye Bevan May 2014 #48

Feel free to alert. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #49

LMAO could you be more blatant in your trolling. geek tragedy May 2014 #46

Are my posts more offensive to you than "Fiat through her beaver"? (post 39) Nye Bevan May 2014 #50

The first post in this thread was your preemptive outrage. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #52

WOW! Thanks for that little "find"! liberalhistorian May 2014 #123

Being mocked for bad CHOICES is NOT stopping her from MAKING bad CHOICES. alphafemale May 2014 #97

^^^^^^^THIS is an important concept^^^^^^^^ Tsiyu May 2014 #103

Many people do not seem able to grasp that. alphafemale May 2014 #150

Damn. Orrex May 2014 #160

The Duggars appear to have enough money for a 20th kid. Shoulders of Giants May 2014 #212

How is this a bad choice? 951-Riverside May 2014 #216

Having the money to do something makes it a good choice? alphafemale May 2014 #217

You might asked their children, all 19 of them, about that. sarge43 May 2014 #219

The only anti-choice people involved here are the Duggars themselves. NuclearDem May 2014 #106

That's my main issue with them. liberalhistorian May 2014 #124

No, but I WILL mock them AtheistCrusader May 2014 #117

good point. the concept of her and infertility is simply outrageous treestar May 2014 #156

This ^ N/t geardaddy May 2014 #192

Good one! get the red out May 2014 #226

That is so true and so funny... AnalystInParadise May 2014 #143

You're not even trying anymore. nt TBF May 2014 #181

Who is saying they shouldn't be allowed to do this? City Lights May 2014 #209

isn't gawd telling them they're too old to keep popping out tax deductions? pstokely May 2014 #2

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #5

My wife just mentioned that Mrs. Duggar said on their show orpupilofnature57 May 2014 #11

I think Gawd isn't allowing them to have anymore natural kids pstokely May 2014 #13

Wow, unanimous jury. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #116

Wow, I cannot believe that someone liberalhistorian May 2014 #125

DU has a handfull of perpetually offended religious people. One of them probably thought "Gawd" LeftyMom May 2014 #139

That could have been the motivator. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #155

WTF is "gawd"? Packerowner740 May 2014 #205

Have you never read anything written in dialect? Goblinmonger May 2014 #207

Not that I have really thought about it. Packerowner740 May 2014 #211

I'm sure they are paid a 6 figure income for the show oneofthe99 May 2014 #14

they're against birth control, but are fine with fertility treatments? pstokely May 2014 #16

It's nobody business how they choose to think or how to have a child oneofthe99 May 2014 #17

They are activists. Their TV show pushes quiverfull, they do abortion protests, LeftyMom May 2014 #32

And because they have had their home declared a church SoCalNative May 2014 #36

no, they make money from that TLC show JI7 May 2014 #38

And pay no taxes RockaFowler May 2014 #168

19 kids are very expensive Beaverhausen May 2014 #200

they do, they have had the show for a while, but you are right about long term JI7 May 2014 #202

Ridiculous, isn't it? hughee99 May 2014 #177

Josh works for the Family liberalhistorian May 2014 #128

yep that's Wingnut Welfare for ya. alp227 May 2014 #130

I was surprised when they hired him because he's stupid and lazy. LeftyMom May 2014 #133

My wife just told me the oldest son has three kids and the fourth is in the oven Packerowner740 May 2014 #206

When they put out a press release, it's everybody's business. Iggo May 2014 #51

THEY have made it EVERYONE'S business. dballance May 2014 #91

They think it is their business that others decide not to have a child treestar May 2014 #158

They have a TV show about it get the red out May 2014 #227

They have anti-progressive family planning positions. Very publicly so. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #232

I agree with you, if they don't believe in preventing them why go the fertility treatments. Thinkingabout May 2014 #24

I wonder if they've considered how many zygotes are wasted in fertility treatments. OTOH... Hekate May 2014 #33

They're probably seeing if she can get hormones to supplement a pregnancy. LeftyMom May 2014 #37

At this age, hormones aren't likely to help. LisaL May 2014 #47

One upmanship MattBaggins May 2014 #56

That would be against her religon, hormones wouldn't. LeftyMom May 2014 #57

I don't think hormones are likely to help. LisaL May 2014 #60

At her age it seems unlikely. LeftyMom May 2014 #62

I know . It almost seems nilesobek May 2014 #75

Mrs. Duggar is nowhere near the record. LisaL May 2014 #93

OMG treestar May 2014 #162

Again, they were NOT liberalhistorian May 2014 #129

47 is her age and treestar May 2014 #159

As I understand it, they weren't liberalhistorian May 2014 #127

Very good point onecaliberal May 2014 #186

So, the poor shouldn't be allowed to reproduce? Live and Learn May 2014 #148

Very true. In her 40s, maybe it is naturally over treestar May 2014 #157

maybe god doesn't want them to JI7 May 2014 #3

Hello, Michelle HockeyMom May 2014 #6

... note that in this thread judging and criticizing a woman's choices is positively encouraged. Nye Bevan May 2014 #9

Interesting that you're the only one who has said 'clown car'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #18

See post 66 below. Predictable as always (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #19

Ah, so you're pulling in old fights Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #22

We've got "Fiat through her beaver" and comparing her vagina to a slip-n-slide Nye Bevan May 2014 #42

You're fighting the good fight AnalystInParadise May 2014 #144

She has had one miscarriage already in her advanced age HockeyMom May 2014 #25

Yes. This is absolutely your business. Nye Bevan May 2014 #26

they have a TV show and it's shown and discussed on their TV show JI7 May 2014 #28

So you would be fine if she sought HockeyMom May 2014 #31

She has a TV show. LisaL May 2014 #44

And yet you can trash liberalhistorian May 2014 #131

Totally our business. Daemonaquila May 2014 #175

Yeah, well, she's of the opinion that if you get pregnant you MUST carry to term. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #233

Yes. And taking care of the 19 she has. treestar May 2014 #163

I think she's possibly addicted to pregnancy & labor pstokely May 2014 #10

I actually knew a woman who had that addiction, a long time ago MrScorpio May 2014 #111

She's been pregnant for 14 years of her life pstokely May 2014 #118

The wife of a cousin of my mother's: her ex told me she was only happy when she had a tiny infant... Hekate May 2014 #141

Ditto. Oxytocin is a powerful drug. nt littlemissmartypants May 2014 #220

I think she is addicted to having children. LisaL May 2014 #45

If she had easier births to her other two pregnancies yeoman6987 May 2014 #105

Suicide by pregnancy? Maybe she is looking for a way littlemissmartypants May 2014 #221

Don't they name all their kids with the same letter? shenmue May 2014 #7

I can see how that really would ruin your life. Nye Bevan May 2014 #12

Sure shenmue May 2014 #15

So what? liberalhistorian May 2014 #135

Sooooo get the red out May 2014 #228

If you will note my other posts on this thread liberalhistorian May 2014 #234

Yes. J. They are going to run out of names anyway! treestar May 2014 #164

Quiverful movement, look that up nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #8

I thought I read that they were leaving the number of kids they had gollygee May 2014 #20

You would think Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #21

They can do whatever is legally available for them. gollygee May 2014 #23

In the Quiverfull movement, the woman's health is entirely beside the point. nt Hekate May 2014 #30

I don't think she is particularly concerned about it Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #54

I don't give a shit about her health HERVEPA May 2014 #69

She has a huge number of children already that need a mother. LisaL May 2014 #94

They don't have a real mother. HERVEPA May 2014 #152

This story isn't told until the children write their autobiographies. Baitball Blogger May 2014 #27

i think a few of their kids would be liberal if they were exposed to the real world and JI7 May 2014 #35

At this point that's a statistical certainty. nt rrneck May 2014 #101

With that number, one of them at least is bound to treestar May 2014 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF May 2014 #34

Good God, that is a disgusting liberalhistorian May 2014 #138

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YES. Disparaging comments about women's vaginas are VERY WELCOME on DU, Nye Bevan May 2014 #41

Old woodsmen joke malokvale77 May 2014 #53

Your Needle Is Stuck ProfessorGAC May 2014 #170

Fertility treatments typically involve multiple embryos being created NickB79 May 2014 #55

I don't think anyone would even collect her eggs at her age. LisaL May 2014 #59

It would depend on her AMH JustAnotherGen May 2014 #149

There are many fertility treatments that occur before IVF comes into the picture. cbdo2007 May 2014 #190

People have the Right to Chose and Women to Chose their Family Planning... KoKo May 2014 #58

^This^ Le Taz Hot May 2014 #63

Yes, they do, indeed, I agree. liberalhistorian May 2014 #132

agreed smiley May 2014 #77

Oh, please. Nobody is trying to take away her rights Orangepeel May 2014 #96

I fully support their right to choose. NuclearDem May 2014 #104

First of all I don't think it really is HER choice tularetom May 2014 #109

Gawd says it's not up to her husband, not her pstokely May 2014 #119

There's a difference between disliking vs taking away somebody's choice. alp227 May 2014 #134

I think the Duggars and their 19 kids AnalystInParadise May 2014 #145

that's strange, you are comparing one family to an entire nation's populations JI7 May 2014 #204

The four oldest daughters are raising all those kids. wickerwoman May 2014 #142

Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants May 2014 #223

Nobody has suggested Feral Child May 2014 #153

Nobody is advocating it being against the law treestar May 2014 #166

Sure, they can have as many kids as they want, go for 50! The intertubes still have the right snooper2 May 2014 #176

Ah, more outrage for the sake of outrage. Daemonaquila May 2014 #178

Exactly undeterred May 2014 #199

This is a bullshit argument. We're NOT STOPPING HER. Arugula Latte May 2014 #231

I uswd to work with a woman Jenoch May 2014 #61

does the fact that Michelle Duggar has already had 19 kids and i think 1 and maybe JI7 May 2014 #64

Make what less likely? Jenoch May 2014 #67

less likely to be able to get pregnant JI7 May 2014 #70

but how many kids did they have? pstokely May 2014 #120

My aunt is one year older than I am Packerowner740 May 2014 #210

These people are gross. LuvNewcastle May 2014 #65

No...they are the living example of the "RIGHT TO CHOOSE" Family Size. KoKo May 2014 #71

Good God, KoKo! LuvNewcastle May 2014 #85

...wow. Katashi_itto May 2014 #92

Wow! Hyperbolic liberalhistorian May 2014 #137

Hahahaha!! Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #171

They're the living example of rethuglican fundies who'll do anything for more media. Daemonaquila May 2014 #182

... SummerSnow May 2014 #66

OMG! LuvNewcastle May 2014 #68

If that's what they want to do, then I wish them luck. NuclearDem May 2014 #72

Is that shaming in some way? The2ndWheel May 2014 #79

They're also probably millionaires. I'm sure they can support their 20 kids, plus 1000 more. chrisa May 2014 #73

The older kids raise the younger ones jmowreader May 2014 #84

That's what they say, but I bet it's bs. chrisa May 2014 #86

the older daughters raise the younger ones pstokely May 2014 #87

I don't understand being both quiverfull and seeking fertility treatments. Gormy Cuss May 2014 #74

She can do what she wants. MADem May 2014 #76

As long as they can afford it on their own seveneyes May 2014 #78

isn't there a significant risk to her life if she has a 20th child ? steve2470 May 2014 #80

I do know that the older a woman is when she gets pregnant, LuvNewcastle May 2014 #90

Absolutely! hamsterjill May 2014 #197

I think she's possibly addicted to pregnancy & labor, they're also serial fundy breeders pstokely May 2014 #198

I guess they're not just leaving it up to God. Dorian Gray May 2014 #81

I thought the Duggars were against this kind of stuff. Lunacee_2013 May 2014 #82

Whatever happened to "God's will"? meadowlark5 May 2014 #83

Picking and choosing whatever is convenient for their agenda, it seems. nt alp227 May 2014 #136

Pregnancy is going to kill her jmowreader May 2014 #88

I agree meadowlark5 May 2014 #187

My great-grandmother had 13 children, Jenoch May 2014 #89

they judge others and they put themselves on TV and preach this shit , they aren't some private JI7 May 2014 #99

The Duggers have zero impact on me or my family. Jenoch May 2014 #100

they support right wing politicians and campaign for them and push anti choice laws JI7 May 2014 #102

she's trying to go against gawd's will for another gift from gawd pstokely May 2014 #107

I had a high school friend Mz Pip May 2014 #115

In that day and age? treestar May 2014 #167

Why not? Jenoch May 2014 #169

They did have ways treestar May 2014 #179

An ex-boyfriend of mine told me that his grandmother had 21 kids. n/t RebelOne May 2014 #196

Planned Unplanned Parenthood Zambero May 2014 #95

Awesome. Destroying the planet. Or do they think they're hastening The End Times? catbyte May 2014 #98

Here is a list of 116 countries doing more to destroy the planet than one family AnalystInParadise May 2014 #146

Yeah, just becasue somebody else is doing it absolves us all of any responsibility whatsoever. catbyte May 2014 #172

Since the U.S. AnalystInParadise May 2014 #173

So you think that the United States will be immune to a worldwide ecological collapse? Yeah, right. catbyte May 2014 #174

That's GOOD news, and we need to encourage MORE population shrinkage. Daemonaquila May 2014 #183

Arkansas is not the midwest! JVS May 2014 #222

who are the duggers? Mosby May 2014 #108

i think it's about being pregnant more than just having the kid afterwards JI7 May 2014 #113

If a "Uterus Hall of Fame" ever gets built, we all know who'll be the first inductee nt MrScorpio May 2014 #110

she didn't go there for fertility treatments she went there to see if she was physically healthy Raine May 2014 #112

what message will they get from Gawd if "he" does not give them another "gift"? pstokely May 2014 #121

Yeah, I don't think anyone here actually saw the show laundry_queen May 2014 #140

She's entitled to make her choices Mz Pip May 2014 #114

but is it really her choice? pstokely May 2014 #122

Do you have proof AnalystInParadise May 2014 #147

The Duggars follow Bill Gothard's teachings wickerwoman May 2014 #224

the bottom line is, RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING nt alp227 May 2014 #126

It's their choice, but I thought Quiverfull beliefs were against fertility treatments. n/t moriah May 2014 #151

Rollin' Rollin' Rollin' get the red out May 2014 #154

I don't care what they do Marrah_G May 2014 #161

Are you effing kidding me? onecaliberal May 2014 #180

Hmmmm. Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #184

Yes, of course onecaliberal May 2014 #188

Up to them. I don't think it is healthy, but it is their life. Xyzse May 2014 #185

I, for one, am eagerly waiting to welcome little Round Number. Orsino May 2014 #189

So... hamsterjill May 2014 #191

DU does not know how to have a mature discussion about choice so I'm not even going to bother liberal_at_heart May 2014 #193

I find it interesting that she keeps referring to getting pregnant geardaddy May 2014 #194

God is telling them that their quiver is full PumpkinAle May 2014 #195

These are drastically immature and ignorant people randys1 May 2014 #201

I knew this would be a good thread! joeybee12 May 2014 #203

So they've gone from saying god wants us to have all these kids, to playing god themselves? notadmblnd May 2014 #208

Why can't these folks be happy vankuria May 2014 #213

Unlikely she can get pregnant again at her age Freddie May 2014 #214

"must be like the tide at Omaha Beach" MisterP May 2014 #215

Who said littlemissmartypants May 2014 #218

Best line from FB: "It's a uterus, not a clown car." KamaAina May 2014 #225

Love that one get the red out May 2014 #229

Why don't they just accept their god's will? Arugula Latte May 2014 #230