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Shandris

(3,447 posts)
25. Totally disagree.
Thu May 22, 2014, 09:36 PM
May 2014

If it's a problem with 'speaking in the employers name', then it will happen without all the constant tweets and calls for people to be fired. Since that isn't what happened, then its quite clear it isn't anything to do with speaking in the employer's name.

Social shaming is never and can never be the best medicine. Imagine if, right now, every single person who had spoken out against, say, corporate welfare were to be fired because of 'speaking in the employers name'. We'd come unglued about it and rightfully so.

To be fair, I can see the intent behind it and, fwiw, I do agree with the intent. But this is one of those tools that is simply too powerful, too destructive to be unleashed. It's great when the narrative is ours, but given that our fight is generally things that the narrative isn't for, we're handing our enemies the keys to our own destruction and crowing about how good it is. It's shortsighted imo.

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Good on the company for firing them, and for doing it so promptly. n/t winter is coming May 2014 #1
I lived in this progressive city for some time. Not Me May 2014 #2
I was raised in Rochester Godhumor May 2014 #6
'Freedom of Speech' doesn't mean you won't get your worthless ass fired Aristus May 2014 #3
I keep seeing this said... Shandris May 2014 #11
It's one thing to hold a personal view, it's another to espouse that view while at work in the name cleanhippie May 2014 #20
Totally disagree. Shandris May 2014 #25
They were on the air, doing the job their employer pays them to do. cleanhippie May 2014 #26
It's always so very easily explainable. Shandris May 2014 #27
What what starts to happen back at us? cleanhippie May 2014 #28
I think you're misinterpreting the scenario. Shandris May 2014 #30
Sigh. cleanhippie May 2014 #31
I'm fine to accept agree to disagree; I can only point out the things that make me... Shandris May 2014 #34
You have a warped view of how things work Tsiyu May 2014 #54
Yes, that's exactly what I said. That we should all sit by and no one should say anything. Shandris May 2014 #55
I read what you said Tsiyu May 2014 #58
I'm sorry, but I can't seem to write much clearer than that. Shandris May 2014 #60
"It is way past time to start shaming the cretins among us. " cleanhippie May 2014 #68
Fear of losing their status and comfort Tsiyu May 2014 #73
As I already said, it's interesting watching "progressives" support transphobia... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #39
Wait. Let me get this straight. Shandris May 2014 #40
Yes, I see it all the time. Big left wing people all of a sudden lose it... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #50
You have no idea what I would and would not do in any given... Shandris May 2014 #51
"I'm sorry you feel that way." - Are you, though? Probably not. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #53
It is a bad thing that you feel that way, yes. You, like another poster, completely... Shandris May 2014 #56
I think you're misinterpreting it Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #43
I would have made the same comments (and probably received many of the same... Shandris May 2014 #46
Except if there are a lot of negative comments... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #47
I'm far more inclined to trust Facebook than Twitter comments. Shandris May 2014 #48
We've ducked too often because of the idea "they'll do it to us" BrotherIvan May 2014 #29
"Bigots should be shamed and outed every single time." EXACTLY! cleanhippie May 2014 #32
Yes, I think the point is being missed BrotherIvan May 2014 #38
Do NOT confuse 'speaking out against hate' and social shaming. Shandris May 2014 #33
If there's an iota of difference I fail to see it BrotherIvan May 2014 #35
To be perfectly fair, it a very nuanced view. I have no problem with them losing their jobs... Shandris May 2014 #36
I understand that you don't want to see people hurt for the wrong reasons BrotherIvan May 2014 #41
Thank you. Honestly...thank you very much. You're completely right that these... Shandris May 2014 #44
I'm glad we came to understanding BrotherIvan May 2014 #49
And thank you as well. Shandris May 2014 #52
Your argument is that we should not tell people they're wrong... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #37
So this is that 'conservative argument' that you accused me of upthread? Shandris May 2014 #42
You want people to applaud you for being "nervous" over shaming bigots? Tsiyu May 2014 #59
You continue to try to ascribe cowardice to what I'm saying... Shandris May 2014 #61
Talk about your failed debate strategy Tsiyu May 2014 #62
*sigh* I never said that these two didn't deserve it. In fact, I -explicitly- said... Shandris May 2014 #63
Perhaps you might have had more success making that an OP Tsiyu May 2014 #64
You may well be right about starting it in my own thread... Shandris May 2014 #65
"social shaming"... sendero May 2014 #67
It's part of the historical and social process known as acculturation. LanternWaste May 2014 #72
It would really be karmic if Kimberly and Beck were replaced by someone from the Louisiana1976 May 2014 #4
To continue the timeline: bullwinkle428 May 2014 #5
you nailed it! m-lekktor May 2014 #45
Do Unto Others colsohlibgal May 2014 #7
Apparently no one in management ... GeorgeGist May 2014 #8
I'm in Rich. I know of those two but have never listened. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #9
Good corp action, nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #10
Getting fired comes with the territory in radio Ex Lurker May 2014 #12
By tomorrow WhoIsNumberNone May 2014 #13
Wingnut dipshits who wouldn't know the 1st Amendment if it bit them on the ass ... 11 Bravo May 2014 #14
I live near Rochester. pangaia May 2014 #15
...Not anymore 951-Riverside May 2014 #16
When they're sitting in jail, I'll be protesting for their free speech, but fired? mountain grammy May 2014 #17
Well said! marble falls May 2014 #18
How long till these guys work for cheap channel radio? d_legendary1 May 2014 #19
Good on my... 3catwoman3 May 2014 #21
I'm sure they'll find work at Fox "News" sakabatou May 2014 #22
Free speech does not mean you can violate your contract. riqster May 2014 #23
Bigotry and assholishness do not serve any purpose in a civilized society. Initech May 2014 #24
Wow That was awesomely fast. Glad those fuckheads are gone. Mrdrboi May 2014 #57
Props to Entercom for that. Jamastiene May 2014 #66
The radio station knew what crap they hired packman May 2014 #69
I wonder which idiot bagger will whine about their First Amendment rights being violated. catbyte May 2014 #70
Right Wing Hate Radio is sooooo last century. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #71
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