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In reply to the discussion: In response to Michael Kinsley's anti-journalism review of Greenwald book [View all]joshcryer
(62,536 posts)63. The "matter at hand" is itself a distraction.
Where is the blowback?
House votes to reform bulk data collection; Senator Ron Wyden criticizes bill as watered down
I am gravely concerned that the changes that have been made to the House version of this bill have watered it down so far that it fails to protect Americans from suspicionless mass surveillance. The new text of the bill states that the government must use a selection term to collect Americans records, but the bills definition of a selection term is so vague that it could be used to collect all of the phone records in a particular area code, or all of the credit card records from a particular state.
While this bills authors may not intend for it to be interpreted so broadly, the Executive Branchs long track record of secretly interpreting surveillance laws in incredibly broad ways makes it clear that vague language is ineffective in restraining the Executive Branch. Given the Executive Branchs record of consistently making inaccurate public statements about these laws in order to conceal ongoing dragnet surveillance of Americans, it would be naïve to trust the Executive Branch to apply new surveillance laws with restraint.
It is unfortunately clear that some of the same officials who were responsible for conducting this dragnet surveillance and misleading the public about it are now working to make sure that any attempt at reform legislation is as limited as possible.
Fortunately, the Senate version of the USA Freedom Act still contains a strong prohibition against bulk collection, as well as a number of other important reforms. In particular, it would close the back-door searches loophole that allows intelligence agencies to deliberately read Americans emails without a warrant, and it would reform the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and install an advocate to argue for Americans constitutional rights when that court is considering major questions of law. While I must oppose the House-passed version of the USA Freedom Act, I will continue to work with my colleagues to advance the Senate version of this legislation, and deliver the comprehensive reforms that the American people deserve.
http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/05/22/congress-votes-reform-bulk-data-collection/
I am gravely concerned that the changes that have been made to the House version of this bill have watered it down so far that it fails to protect Americans from suspicionless mass surveillance. The new text of the bill states that the government must use a selection term to collect Americans records, but the bills definition of a selection term is so vague that it could be used to collect all of the phone records in a particular area code, or all of the credit card records from a particular state.
While this bills authors may not intend for it to be interpreted so broadly, the Executive Branchs long track record of secretly interpreting surveillance laws in incredibly broad ways makes it clear that vague language is ineffective in restraining the Executive Branch. Given the Executive Branchs record of consistently making inaccurate public statements about these laws in order to conceal ongoing dragnet surveillance of Americans, it would be naïve to trust the Executive Branch to apply new surveillance laws with restraint.
It is unfortunately clear that some of the same officials who were responsible for conducting this dragnet surveillance and misleading the public about it are now working to make sure that any attempt at reform legislation is as limited as possible.
Fortunately, the Senate version of the USA Freedom Act still contains a strong prohibition against bulk collection, as well as a number of other important reforms. In particular, it would close the back-door searches loophole that allows intelligence agencies to deliberately read Americans emails without a warrant, and it would reform the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court and install an advocate to argue for Americans constitutional rights when that court is considering major questions of law. While I must oppose the House-passed version of the USA Freedom Act, I will continue to work with my colleagues to advance the Senate version of this legislation, and deliver the comprehensive reforms that the American people deserve.
http://www.sdjewishworld.com/2014/05/22/congress-votes-reform-bulk-data-collection/
Ron Wyden is a bigger fighter than any of the sniveling profiteers who managed to make a very important issue a twitter mouth off that most people now roll their eyes at and go back to looking at their phones to see what new BS is trending today.
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In response to Michael Kinsley's anti-journalism review of Greenwald book [View all]
grasswire
May 2014
OP
I will bet you that I can guess the name of the country that Greenwald is about to expose
Aerows
May 2014
#8
ALL wealthy journalists should be hung by the neck until they are dead!!!!!!
Major Hogwash
May 2014
#70
Indeed. Let's look backward instead of forward. Except when it is convenient to look
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#56
Ron Wyden has been a sniveler for years. Only hinting at gross violations. Never delivering.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#64
Wyden already knew what Snowden knew but didn't reveal shit. He sniveled Showden delivered.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#66
Show me one single thing that Wyden ever did to fix it other than whine about it.
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#68
Now Greenwald's sycophants want there to be no consequences for breaking the law?
baldguy
May 2014
#15
"Our people, merely for want of intelligence which they may rely on, are become lethargic
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2014
#16
He got that right, that's why there wasn't much laughter, what he said was the truth.
sabrina 1
May 2014
#26
oh, they dig a free press, as long as it doesn't tell the truth about thier fave politico
KG
May 2014
#28
Kinsley's opinion is trusted based on what? He is pro-austerity measures,how fucking dumb is that?
Jefferson23
May 2014
#34
It also thinks that it is A-OK to dump toxic waste on poor countries because they get paid for
Luminous Animal
May 2014
#40
Wonderful. He is a self proclaimed liberal?? Who the hell does he think he's fooling?
Jefferson23
May 2014
#49
I don't actually recall him or the show..but from what I have read so far, his
Jefferson23
May 2014
#75