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Raine1967

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Sun May 25, 2014, 12:06 PM May 2014

Question about Those that are making statements about Elliot Rodger: [View all]


Things like, Was he gay; Was he an MRA, was he just a self entitled ass (or any version of the sort… There has been a lot of speculation on DU about this. That's understandable, as this is a discussion board)

I'm not quite sure how to phrase this, but it appears as tho a lot of people are coming to a thesis based on his 'manifesto', and assuming that everything he wrote was absolute truth. This guy created a work of his own truths, as I see it.

I have not had a chance to read or even seen any comments from the many people he grew up with, or his family. Why are we taking his manifesto as truth? How do we know that anything he wrote was true at this point?

I assume it's easy to believe that the result of that very disturbed writing is proof. (and I am actually reading it, it looks like he was making excuses for what he did, blame blame blame)

Has anyone of the many MANY people mention in that writing had a chance to comment on what happened? The guy killed people. HE killed a lot of people, why should we take his words as truth?

He was a selfish murderous POS, I base this on his actions. I am not willing to get into his motives based on his words and his words only. I would very much like to see what so many of the people who interacted with him have to say. He named a lot of people; people who might be able to verify or discredit anything he wrote or recorded.


He killed innocents, I am not sure that I willing to give his words or manifesto credence.

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I think his anger and hatred of his peers, especially women is self evident. The why and how is not. bettyellen May 2014 #1
What they are saying is: "He was _____*______." FSogol May 2014 #2
The guy was both sexist and racist. That's pretty sufrommich May 2014 #3
The guy's thought processes were clearly diseased. There is no lesson to be learned FSogol May 2014 #6
The same could be said when angry deranged people kill sufrommich May 2014 #8
Good point, but what is gained from using the tragedy to score points against groups that FSogol May 2014 #9
I didn't see the scoring points OPs,unless you're sufrommich May 2014 #11
Sums it up perfectly. nt Mojorabbit May 2014 #16
Yep. 'Bout sums it up. Deduct points if you don't toe somebody's line. Eleanors38 May 2014 #32
He expressed "mens rights" ideas and sympathies, he did not state he was gay. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #4
To certain extent I agree. Raine1967 May 2014 #10
Why would you think what he wrote that he thought wasn't what he thought? gollygee May 2014 #33
Well said. theHandpuppet May 2014 #26
Even if he had gotta laid... HipChick May 2014 #5
He does sound like the kind of guy gollygee May 2014 #34
He left cyber footprints in a lot of MRA/PUA groups Warpy May 2014 #7
I can understand what you are saying. Raine1967 May 2014 #14
Many MRA's believe that men are part of their problem. boston bean May 2014 #15
MRAs hate women and also hate the men women choose to be with gollygee May 2014 #35
Well, he wrote and believed a lot of things MRA's say, and he has been on those sites. boston bean May 2014 #12
Mass shooters are canvases Union Scribe May 2014 #13
it was a senseless and frightening KT2000 May 2014 #17
The speculations Jamaal510 May 2014 #18
As a teen, in reading his writing Raine1967 May 2014 #20
This is exactly what struck me as well. In all of those pages, he never gave a SINGLE example of PeaceNikki May 2014 #21
To be honest, as much as I have read, he was never rejected by another person. Raine1967 May 2014 #22
Just because he didn't write doesn't mean it didn't happen NobodyHere May 2014 #25
Did you read his manifesto? I did. If he tried and had been rejected, PeaceNikki May 2014 #27
"This guy created a work of his own truths, as I see it." +1000 Tom Ripley May 2014 #19
"He was a selfish murderous POS, I base this on his actions." - That is circular reasoning Gravitycollapse May 2014 #23
No, I am not. Raine1967 May 2014 #24
Of course, you're speculating. Not speculating would mean not saying anything at all. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #28
I'm not. Raine1967 May 2014 #30
Are you really not that self-aware? Your OP is one gigantic self-contradiction. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #31
I do not take anything he wrote as "truth" to the rest of the world but as rantings of a delusional uppityperson May 2014 #29
If he'd written about how much he hated abortions Starry Messenger May 2014 #36
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