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Andy823

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Sun May 25, 2014, 01:19 PM

May 2014

Sounds to me like you are the one doing the whining. I also didn't say I had been pushed to far, simply said I have seen everything now. There is a difference.

My point was that one group here complains because another group doesn't agree with their view on the world. They get mad at those who support the president, label them as unpatriotic, mindless drones, bots, etc., yet that same group seems to have much the same problem that they accuse others of having when it comes to "blindly" following those they consider "their" heroes. It was about the "hypocrisy" they have shown, and in particular those who try and push the meme that anyone who uses Greenwalds initials are now "homophobic"!

I too think that anyone with even a passing understanding of american politics would know that president Obama has done a lot of good, even if he hasn't done everything for every person that voted for him. Sure there are things I would like to see done, like universal health car for everyone, tougher gun regulations, more taxes on corporations and the rich, etc., but I also know that he alone can not do all these things, he needs the help of congress and as long a republicans have control of the House, nothing will be done, especially if it's something the president is pushing, that's just plain facts.

I do like the way you put in that those who don't believe what you seem to believe are brainwashed apologist with their head in the sand. Nice touch.

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Now I have seen it all [View all] Andy823 May 2014 OP

You left out the group that calls you a hater if you do not cheer 150% for Obama. hobbit709 May 2014 #1

^ Not true. Only those who clearly hate Obama are called haters. lamp_shade May 2014 #3

Want to put money on it. hobbit709 May 2014 #9

You heard me. lamp_shade May 2014 #11

And you heard me. hobbit709 May 2014 #19

That I did. lamp_shade May 2014 #21

Am not! Are too! Am not! Are too! n/t albino65 May 2014 #110

DON'T MAKE ME COME BACK THERE YOU TWO!!! yuiyoshida May 2014 #139

I love that "did too, did not" back and forth JayhawkSD May 2014 #28

I don't see a lot of that treestar May 2014 #78

So you are saying that there is a group in DU where conformity is enforced? mazzarro May 2014 #218

The Barack Obama Group is for those members who are there to Cha May 2014 #114

Oh come on. The BOG is there to be a teen zine forum for Obama. cui bono May 2014 #174

The rest of the board to available to criticize the President. Not in the BOG. Straight up rules Cha May 2014 #185

But the denizens of the morass never hesitate to come out and jump anyone who does criticize. hobbit709 May 2014 #196

There's legitimate "criticize" and there's fucking "used pos cars salesman".. some don't Cha May 2014 #266

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #235

You're are so correct, lamp_shade.. The ODSers are obvious. I've been around here Cha May 2014 #113

The only people suffering from ODS are the BOGgers. n/t cui bono May 2014 #175

Yes, up is down and down is up.. straight is crooked and crooked is straight.. you poor thing. Cha May 2014 #187

Absolutely not true. cui bono May 2014 #173

Such Bologna, it strains credulity. quakerboy May 2014 #194

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #232

That's not the truth. TransitJohn May 2014 #249

.... 840high May 2014 #6

Really? Andy823 May 2014 #10

Funny how some accuse you of spouting libertarian talking points when you never said anything hobbit709 May 2014 #17

Didn't accuse you of anything. Andy823 May 2014 #20

Glenn Greenwald is not a Libertarian. You are confused. Democrats are not supporting sabrina 1 May 2014 #22

Really? Andy823 May 2014 #71

Here is something you should read. Greenwald's self defense against the "libertarian" label. madfloridian May 2014 #87

I read it Andy823 May 2014 #138

Well...that poster is so very objective noiretextatique May 2014 #215

Thank you Thespian2 May 2014 #73

I care....this is Democratic Underground.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #81

Strange... Thespian2 May 2014 #183

Democrats do march in lockstep treestar May 2014 #80

A majority of the American people believe he is a Whistle Blower now, only approx 30% sabrina 1 May 2014 #214

You're right ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #200

Not me. aquart May 2014 #209

You are wrong, a majority of the American people, like most Democrats here, now support Journalists sabrina 1 May 2014 #213

First ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #216

Jury Results Lancero May 2014 #25

Kinda proves my point. hobbit709 May 2014 #27

Alert in 5... 4... 3... Lancero May 2014 #29

Let him. I have a reasonable guess as to who from the wording hobbit709 May 2014 #31

Kind of proves mine also Andy823 May 2014 #98

Where are the facts in your OP? Please provide citations. n/t cui bono May 2014 #177

Naw, they just ban you from the swamp,....I mean the bog. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #68

I'm sorry is this NOT Democratic Underground? I should have checked the name on the door.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #79

There's a Teddy Roosevelt quote for you. hobbit709 May 2014 #94

I don't care....this is NOT the forum to do NOTHING BUT criticize Democrats.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #149

I'm not a constant cheerleader. If I see something that I feel is wrong I WILL say so hobbit709 May 2014 #166

+100 nt okaawhatever May 2014 #148

He's a Democratic president who says he is akin to Reagan in policy. cui bono May 2014 #178

You're making up bullshit again, cui ConservativeDemocrat May 2014 #189

They've been here for years... doing their thing. Most of us pay them no attention. lamp_shade May 2014 #2

Yes I know Andy823 May 2014 #12

I bet Old Codger May 2014 #41

I've seen right wingers do that treestar May 2014 #82

Yep. For YEARS doing the "Obama sold us out," he's a "moderate Republican" and Dems and Pubs are the Number23 May 2014 #150

I see it also Andy823... Tikki May 2014 #4

True Andy823 May 2014 #7

They are not Democrats... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #85

Exactly, Andy. They twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why an Cha May 2014 #117

As Randi Rhodes said...SHAME THEM! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #84

Damn constitutionalists RobertEarl May 2014 #5

someone got a hide for saying Fuck Ron Paul Whisp May 2014 #8

It's the luck of the jury, I suppose. But one can avoid a lot of that by not being foul-mouthed. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #14

Whaaaaat????? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #88

You heard him ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #201

Yep Andy823 May 2014 #18

Can you point out some of these libertarians and trolls? If they are here, all you have to do is sabrina 1 May 2014 #23

Are you serious? Andy823 May 2014 #76

What is a 'libertarian talking point'? I must be blind, or don't spend enough time here, so could sabrina 1 May 2014 #212

OK here are a couple for you Andy823 May 2014 #231

subterfuge.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #89

They mean civil libertarians, if that clears things up for you Dragonfli May 2014 #106

Are you saying that GG was a Civil Libertarian that supported George Bush? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #206

No VR, If I were to "say" that, I would have written that now wouldn't I? Dragonfli May 2014 #219

EarlG banned a member with that message. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #26

EarlG banned a member Cha May 2014 #120

"Fuck Ron Paul" is the PPR message that EarlG used and MIRTers often refer to. n/t winter is coming May 2014 #121

Fuck Ron Paul. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #122

The member said "fuck ron paul" and EarlG banned them?! What! Cha May 2014 #123

"Fuck Ron Paul" was EarlG's banning message. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #124

OH!!! Sorry, I'm being Cha May 2014 #127

You're welcome. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #128

Brawawaa, I thought it was the poster who had Cha May 2014 #129

I forget what the message was...likely something to the effect of "Ron Paul for president"!!! greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #131

Remember that one Bobbie Jo May 2014 #161

It was a good one! greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #162

+1 uponit7771 May 2014 #32

I wonder if a lot of them lurk and get on juries treestar May 2014 #83

To be fair.. one of those "used care pos salesmen" comments did get hidden in Cha May 2014 #119

Was that self delete done on April Fool's Day, same time as the 'apology'? Whisp May 2014 #133

I remember that hidden post. redgreenandblue May 2014 #271

Having concerns about the breadth and depth of the national security state... Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #13

+1 quinnox May 2014 #16

Oh now anyone that criticizes GG is not patriotic because Team GG conflates criticism with VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #91

Looks that way Andy823 May 2014 #95

The Cat Food Commission is defunct -- they had such a jolly time with that one Whisp May 2014 #132

Yes I remember those comments. Andy823 May 2014 #145

It gets tiring seeing people who believe that if you have any common ground (civil liberties etc) newthinking May 2014 #47

Well Team GG seems to think any criticism of HIM is a supporter of NSA Spying.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #92

Thanks for proving my point newthinking May 2014 #93

I "be" Rhapsody. VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #207

see that is where YOU conflate criticism of GG with the support of the "National Security State" VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #90

Well, I see a lot of the Greenwald criticism as an effort to deflect... Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #220

I am curious Andy823 May 2014 #264

The issue of checkbook journalism. n/t Whisp May 2014 #273

And to refuse to acknowledge that this problem predates the present admin by DECADES? baldguy May 2014 #240

We don't want to see it or admit it... The_Commonist May 2014 #15

Uh, FR supported Bush no matter what Oilwellian May 2014 #38

Yes, I agree. Just as those who can only criticise Democrats and this president. Ikonoklast May 2014 #208

: hootinholler May 2014 #24

perfect response. karmkay May 2014 #40

: Helen Borg May 2014 #45

. hootinholler May 2014 #59

+ infinity. n/t Lugnut May 2014 #107

It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #30

^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi May 2014 #52

Maybe you didn't get my point Andy823 May 2014 #99

Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast May 2014 #33

Could you list some of those "libertarian" talking points? It would help me understand. madfloridian May 2014 #34

Ooh! I will! JoeyT May 2014 #37

Yes, that one. Newt's dream of "free trade" schools is fulfilled. We are not to gripe about it. madfloridian May 2014 #67

OK Andy823 May 2014 #115

Did you even read what I posted? I don't think so. madfloridian May 2014 #137

Yes I read it Andy823 May 2014 #152

Every thing you asked can be answered by reading the OP. madfloridian May 2014 #154

They are not really that clear Andy823 May 2014 #158

I did not even address that issue at all. madfloridian May 2014 #167

+1,000. eom 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #202

Are you leaving? yeoman6987 May 2014 #35

The only libertarian talking points I've seen here are JoeyT May 2014 #36

Don't forget replacing public schools with for-profits Doctor_J May 2014 #44

Here are some I see all the time at DU Mosby May 2014 #58

often the same who downplay real Russian homophobia nt arely staircase May 2014 #39

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #111

o yes indeed, excellent observation, arely. Whisp May 2014 #147

Hope you're doing well, arely. Missed your posts. freshwest Nov 2014 #275

thanks arely staircase Nov 2014 #279

I'm fairly new to DU smallcat88 May 2014 #42

NT bravenak May 2014 #181

Thanks smallcat88 May 2014 #184

No problem. bravenak May 2014 #186

All of you disappoint me.... Rafale May 2014 #43

OOH!! Now you've done it. hobbit709 May 2014 #46

Yup Rafale May 2014 #48

Welcome to DU. You'll fit in nicely. n/t lamp_shade May 2014 #49

The Repubs would never impeach Obama on those issues. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #66

Disagree with first paragraph; agree with second. Unity doesn't have to be even close to uniformity. ancianita May 2014 #69

I haven't seen that... TeeYiYi May 2014 #50

Right here! Behind the Aegis May 2014 #54

Thanks. Not sure how I missed that... TeeYiYi May 2014 #57

It happens. :) Behind the Aegis May 2014 #61

I agree with your assessment, BtA. I completely missed that Cha May 2014 #136

Whoever I support or don't support, I really feel that namecalling is not conducive to DesertDiamond May 2014 #51

If you really think you've seen it all just wait. Arthur_Frain May 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Rafale May 2014 #56

You mean its almost like people are using labels to shut up the opposition? Shandris May 2014 #55

Andy823 - one of the reasons that you have "seen it all" truedelphi May 2014 #60

True Delphi Rafale May 2014 #63

Excellent post. madfloridian May 2014 #64

Excellently stated. wavesofeuphoria May 2014 #70

Really? Andy823 May 2014 #75

Pretty sure Nixon never covered up torture by a previous Republican administration. nt OnyxCollie May 2014 #126

Well said and I am among that older group Ichingcarpenter May 2014 #86

Yep. And, we weren't upset when politicians were compared to "used car salemen". Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #97

Not a complet quote Andy823 May 2014 #100

The rest of it didn't bother me. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #101

PIECE OF SHIT, FUCK YOU... is not 'criticism' in most parts of the world. Whisp May 2014 #134

THANK YOU Skittles May 2014 #109

Obama's to the right of Nixon? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #112

The SECOND I saw that person type Obama was to the right of Nixon I just moved on to the next Number23 May 2014 #153

Obama himself said that "in a lot of ways Richard Nixon Broward May 2014 #197

lol nt BootinUp May 2014 #225

Link? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #248

he told o'reilly this in an interview supposedly m-lekktor May 2014 #252

Here you go. Broward May 2014 #263

apparently he told bill o'reilly this when o'reilly interviewed him m-lekktor May 2014 #250

Thanks for the link. But the context is that this is in response to Bill O'Reilly and Fox News Number23 May 2014 #270

When Nixon was President, hell's bells, even when Reagan was President truedelphi May 2014 #228

Seriously? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #251

Please note that Nixon signed the EPA into law, and that the EPA came about truedelphi May 2014 #269

This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Nov 2014 #277

You're ProSense May 2014 #141

Nixon is on tape plotting to destroy US healthcare for profit. aquart May 2014 #210

It IS weird and makes us all seem divided. But healthy criticism raises awareness about what we want ancianita May 2014 #62

Party Platform Rafale May 2014 #65

"What ifs" are speculation. Look at party platform effectiveness, historically. Just carping about ancianita May 2014 #72

Then again, what if it is a joke. Now what? I'm a Marxist. I'm all about the class war.I don't mind ancianita May 2014 #74

Healthy criticism is fair, well-informed & offers realistic solutions. baldguy May 2014 #254

Why you call support for an attacked journalist and a whistleblower fandom, I don't understand. ancianita May 2014 #258

And there is no way they will admit that support of any candidate or officeholder treestar May 2014 #77

'So they are basically saying it is impossible to have a Democracy.' Exactly! freshwest Nov 2014 #274

What I have seen.... madfloridian May 2014 #96

Bingo Rafale May 2014 #102

Whoa there! Lots of weird stuff directed to lots of us in that post. Welcome to DU... madfloridian May 2014 #104

Thank you Rafale May 2014 #105

They also tend to be hostile BainsBane May 2014 #103

Jesus fucking Christ. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #165

Get a grip BainsBane May 2014 #168

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #204

Somehow Jamaal510 May 2014 #169

For the record, I do not support NSA spying BainsBane May 2014 #170

Bush? No. The NSA, etc. was created March 5, 1946. Every POTUS since is required to carry on: freshwest Nov 2014 #276

complete BS Skittles May 2014 #108

I get it Andy823 May 2014 #116

They don't WORSHIP Skittles May 2014 #135

OK Andy823 May 2014 #140

are you fucking serious? Skittles May 2014 #164

Intersting Andy823 May 2014 #226

eyes open, with discernment! nt grasswire May 2014 #143

THANK YOU Skittles May 2014 #163

Oh the hypocrisy... cui bono May 2014 #179

maybe it's all the hero-worship, authoritarianism, and blind following? MisterP May 2014 #118

You think it's bad now, wait until the '16 primaries start. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #125

How about the group that hates free speech, free press and free health care? Corruption Inc May 2014 #130

Well Andy823 May 2014 #142

I finally saw that thread that you were talking about.. I couldn't believe someone would use their Cha May 2014 #144

Yes, it makes no sense Andy823 May 2014 #151

Only 16 Recs.. so that's good. 17 are supporting that meme so far.. I sure as hell am Cha May 2014 #156

Huge K&R Bobbie Jo May 2014 #146

We've all seen it, including the admins who have been called Third Way by the same group of folks Number23 May 2014 #155

Amen to that! nt Andy823 May 2014 #159

Nicely put. BootinUp May 2014 #160

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #203

How many posters have claimed that using GG is homophobic? Vattel May 2014 #157

Enough MohRokTah May 2014 #172

how many is enough? Vattel May 2014 #182

DU Rec MohRokTah May 2014 #171

Supporting him and expressing views where you think he is wrong is not anti-Obama. maced666 May 2014 #176

Nope. It's not just you. DU attracts the attention of a number of anti-Dem boards. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #180

There has been a huge split in the Left coalition psiman May 2014 #188

Big minds discuss issues. Small minds discuss personalities eridani May 2014 #190

Bullshit. No one "started a lame ass meme." Hissyspit May 2014 #191

+1 n/t NealK May 2014 #192

Regardless of 'your' emphasis Bobbie Jo May 2014 #233

Yes, posters who use ad Hominem homophobic digs instead of real arguments are stirring shit. Hissyspit May 2014 #238

. NealK May 2014 #193

libertarians strike me as very odd. stonecutter357 May 2014 #195

whenever anyone says someone has "pushed [their criticism] too far".... tomp May 2014 #198

Well Andy823 May 2014 #223

Actually, you did say what I said you said. tomp May 2014 #272

I miss the unrec button. Scuba May 2014 #199

I so agree that there are two main factions here. One faction is liberal and the other rhett o rick May 2014 #205

not paid to have an opinion on fracking? n/t carolinayellowdog May 2014 #217

Those that are paid to disrupt dont bother me as much as those that naively follow rhett o rick May 2014 #221

So in other words Andy823 May 2014 #222

It's easy to tell. Those that refuse to speak to fracking, the TPP, etc. rhett o rick May 2014 #227

As I said Andy823 May 2014 #230

"I don't recall every seeing anyone who was not against fracking, from those who support the rhett o rick May 2014 #259

Um... You're not trying to put Greenwald and Snowden in the "liberal" group, are you? baldguy May 2014 #237

I think you meant to type: Hissyspit May 2014 #242

People who praise Rand Paul are not & can never be considered to be "liberal" baldguy May 2014 #244

Simplistic absolutism. Hissyspit May 2014 #245

They have to have someone to hate and take their mind off the important issues that rhett o rick May 2014 #261

How silly of you to even ask. I guess it's one of your illogical fallacy tricks. And by the rhett o rick May 2014 #260

Ignore the haters asiliveandbreathe May 2014 #211

I agree with all that you have said! Stellar May 2014 #224

Well said shenmue May 2014 #229

From some of the replies, I'd say you struck a few nerves Andy823. lamp_shade May 2014 #234

Fox News gets on my nerves. Hissyspit May 2014 #241

... lamp_shade May 2014 #243

It's kinda sad when that's your goal. Especially when we are coming up to an election. rhett o rick May 2014 #262

What Greenwald & Snowden fans don't understand, or deliberately won't acknowledge. baldguy May 2014 #236

Um, no. Hissyspit May 2014 #239

You replies are just as informed & well-thought out as your positions. baldguy May 2014 #246

I could say the same for you. Hissyspit May 2014 #247

Can you dance in the Big Shoes, too? baldguy May 2014 #255

I couldn't agree more nt Andy823 May 2014 #257

I feel you... Blue_Tires May 2014 #253

You took the words right off my keypad. I really, really feel the OP. nt kelliekat44 May 2014 #256

Well if opposing illegal surveillance of Americans, JEB May 2014 #265

Never said it would Andy823 May 2014 #267

I'd say Rand Paul is an ignorant, arrogant, privileged asshole. Wrong on most issues. JEB May 2014 #268

We also have a very vocal group... NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #278