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LeftyMom

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83. So your argument was that he wasn't a misogynist because he was a piss poor criminal?

Reply to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #76)

Sun May 25, 2014, 11:47 PM

May 2014

With a side of RW argument about how schools need MOAR GUNS?

The IV police stopped him. He wrecked his car on the way to the sorority house. They exchanged gunfire. He killed himself. None of this is news.

If he hadn't wrecked his car and if the parents hadn't alerted the IV police to his plans (he emailed them his manifesto) a whole house full of sorority girls would be dead. Your argument that he wasn't a misogynist because he failed to kill the women he was targeting is horseshit.

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Elliot Rodger's California shooting spree: further proof that misogyny kills [View all] XemaSab May 2014 OP

This should be a fun thread. gollygee May 2014 #1

Mysogeny has nothing to do with it Gman May 2014 #2

Did you hear his misogynist rants? gollygee May 2014 #3

Would you have preferred a rant about Satan? Gman May 2014 #12

ASD doesn't = "criminally insane" gollygee May 2014 #13

Then I guess it was Satan that made him do it. Gman May 2014 #14

Have you ever met anyone with an autism spectrum disorder? gollygee May 2014 #20

Yes, I had a student in my class Gman May 2014 #108

Why wouldn't you take them seriously? Taking them seriously doesn't mean they're true... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #17

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #52

really?? PeaceNikki May 2014 #4

Yes really. Ever heard of Autism Spectrum Disorder? Gman May 2014 #9

I am not mentally ill Shivering Jemmy May 2014 #16

Help me out here. Is "norms" the new DU slur du jour? 11 Bravo May 2014 #33

"Norms?" 1000words May 2014 #42

It makes me more than two standard deviations Shivering Jemmy May 2014 #47

Misogyny gave him an enemy. It didn't make him mentally disturbed. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #18

Yep -- misogyny offered him validation theHandpuppet May 2014 #39

Autism is not a mental illness. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #19

You don't have to be delusional or psychotic to have a mental illness, FYI. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #28

There may be comorbid mental health issues. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #30

That depends on how you choose to use the term "comorbid." Gravitycollapse May 2014 #31

Existing independently. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #35

So you admit that autism can cause mental health issues. That is what I'm saying as well. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #38

I'm autistic. I probably have somewhat more insight into this than you do. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #41

I concede to your understanding of ASD. But I know a bit about risperidone... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #43

I don't think this is about 'ignorance', but the definitions that various professionals use muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #133

Yes, there's a fundamental difference. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #134

But, as we see, the NIH does define developmental disorders as illnesses muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #135

They are, actually. Or at least by a majority of professionals. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #136

FTR, the killer was neither delusional nor psychotic Nevernose May 2014 #111

That doesn't seem to be what this says: Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #113

The shooting rampage? Nevernose May 2014 #117

He was also prescribed risperidone (an antipsychotic) which he refused to take, apparently. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #118

actually mopinko May 2014 #123

MRA and PUA communities fed his misogyny. LeftyMom May 2014 #27

It is not a mental illness. bravenak May 2014 #36

It's a disorder not an illness. Gman May 2014 #114

She is still saying sorry about breaking her kindle last year. bravenak May 2014 #120

ASD did not make him do this. I hope you will educate yourself about ASD because what you are Squinch May 2014 #37

Schizophrenics are usually nonviolent too Gman May 2014 #110

That statement doesn't make any sense. You need to educate yourself about ASD before you Squinch May 2014 #122

His AS disorder was cause of his lack of dating success & that turned into misogyny. Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #44

You make my point well Gman May 2014 #106

Wrong. Autism Spectrum Disorder is not a mental illness. Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #112

I agree with you and I'm wrong? LOL! Gman May 2014 #115

You wrote "Ever heard of Autism Spectrum Disorder? ... It's a mental illness." Wrong. Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #116

Obviously the guy had severe psychological problems (and I don't mean autism). nomorenomore08 May 2014 #55

Another whatever Gman May 2014 #105

I wouldn't be so dismissive of this stuff myself. A small number of crazies can do a lot of damage. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #131

Autism spectrum is not a mental illness. Chemisse May 2014 #60

oh bite me and quit derailing the most compelling fact here- - BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #70

. Squinch May 2014 #99

Whatever Gman May 2014 #104

flying pigs BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #107

ibid Gman May 2014 #109

wow. my son did not know he was mentally ill. he figured he simply had a challenge in seabeyond May 2014 #78

That's called a false equivalent. Gman May 2014 #103

??? use said austism was a mental illness. i said son and i never saw him as seabeyond May 2014 #121

He would have been much happier in the medieval era treestar May 2014 #25

Does anyone else see this post as really tiny? AngryAmish May 2014 #48

here's an expanded c&p PeaceNikki May 2014 #51

yikes AngryAmish May 2014 #98

Misogyny didn't force this guy kill a bunch of people. But it certainly aided the process. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #10

Precisely. It provided a focus for his delusions, in an ultimately tragic manner. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #56

This is just what the guy focused on. Chemisse May 2014 #61

Well, except, not really. The two issues are interrelated. He didn't just pick woman-hating. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #63

Oh please . . . Chemisse May 2014 #65

"This whole thing has very little to do with misogyny." - One of the dumbest claims so far on this. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #66

Hitler was a madman XemaSab May 2014 #22

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #57

perfect analogy. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #67

When that woman stabbed her three children to death, recently ... 1000words May 2014 #5

Had she been on online forums about how horrible kids were? gollygee May 2014 #6

Not to my knowledge ... 1000words May 2014 #8

So you want to dismiss this conversation gollygee May 2014 #11

Just a reminder where some are coming from, is all. 1000words May 2014 #24

sexual frustration. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #69

While you seem to have a firm grasp of the topic ... 1000words May 2014 #71

so? so effing what? it's his words and actions that matter here. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #75

I don't think he hated women sunnystarr May 2014 #45

It appears that he suffered from splitting. He replaced the real image of himself and others... Gravitycollapse May 2014 #50

. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #102

I agree with you catchnrelease May 2014 #53

I agree. Chemisse May 2014 #64

Did she have an extensive history of posting about how children belong in concentration camps LeftyMom May 2014 #7

and there is The Difference. and Yes there needs to be some conversation about it all. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #21

His apparent hated of women Abq_Sarah May 2014 #15

I am no fan of police but the truth is that until police teams malaise May 2014 #23

I'm sure that 99% of the work of the IV police XemaSab May 2014 #26

That's my point malaise May 2014 #29

His rants indicated he hated all of humanity. That would qualify as misanthropy. PoliticAverse May 2014 #32

No, jealousy. The males were killed because they had more success w women. Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #46

He seemed to have an unhealthy sense of entitlement, Jamastiene May 2014 #34

Tragedies like this have multiple causes. hunter May 2014 #40

Seems like a perfect storm. As much as I really, really don't want to validate his "grievances" in nomorenomore08 May 2014 #59

huge K & R Whisp May 2014 #49

Excellent thread. K&R Louisiana1976 May 2014 #54

By that logic the Unibomber indicates that anti-capitalism kills? Exultant Democracy May 2014 #58

Of course, anti-capitalism and misogyny are totally dissimilar. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #68

Only if you don't understand how logic works champ. Exultant Democracy May 2014 #80

Misogyny is the norm, and not an outlier. Like I said, you haven't thought this through very well. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #84

One has to wonder if he sought out a professional Historic NY May 2014 #62

I thought about that too shanti May 2014 #124

Myself also...unrealistic expectations on his part and not a means to cope. Historic NY May 2014 #130

Misogyny causes man to kill four males, two females... cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #72

What, the idea that there are people out there who hate women is new to you? XemaSab May 2014 #73

I wasn't aware I posted it was NEWS TO ME there are men who hate women. cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #77

He was stopped trying to get into a sorority, where he was on his way to kill "hot blond sluts" who LeftyMom May 2014 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #76

So your argument was that he wasn't a misogynist because he was a piss poor criminal? LeftyMom May 2014 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #90

Can you be more patronizing? XemaSab May 2014 #91

Like you're not? cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #92

You can feel fucking free to stop talking to me like a child, Scooter. LeftyMom May 2014 #94

Dialing it back, with a qualification... cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #96

"Personally I hope he's burning in hell already." - How can you be so off the cuff with sadism? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author shanti May 2014 #126

He did get out of his car and pounded on the door of the sorority house. It was his first stop, seaglass May 2014 #100

My apology. I was not aware of that. I'm sorry. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #138

He did leave his car and attempt to get into a sorority house whopis01 May 2014 #125

I did not have that information at the time, and I apologize. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #137

I think this is a little off track. Yes, his videos were misogynistic because he's...well... ecstatic May 2014 #79

Thank you for telling me XemaSab May 2014 #81

lol. I'm against sexism, and I am a woman, btw. ecstatic May 2014 #82

His 140 page manifesto was a good glimpse into his views on women and life. PeaceNikki May 2014 #85

He hated women and men who could get women. LisaL May 2014 #86

Yes, but many more were going to be women. He couldn't get into the sorority house he'd planned to. PeaceNikki May 2014 #87

That's some seriously fucked up shit n/t Violet_Crumble May 2014 #88

yes. slightly misogynistic. PeaceNikki May 2014 #89

Yeah, just a tad... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #93

Yeah, but that's probably just because he hated drinks for being so popular with women. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #95

Oof! Gormy Cuss May 2014 #127

I wish I could be even the SLIGHTEST BIT surprised by the idiotic arguments here. redqueen May 2014 #128

When I was reading that I was thinking about the horror those people would feel if/when they seaglass May 2014 #101

He called many of his "enemies" out by their full names shanti May 2014 #129

Yes, and if my aunt had wheels she'd be a teacart. Demit May 2014 #132

good luck; DU is willfully ignorant when it comes to misogyny. as far as DU is concerned, TheFrenchRazor May 2014 #119