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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
42. I agree that open-carriers are, generally speaking, needlessly inflammatory
Sun May 25, 2014, 11:57 PM
May 2014

While open-carry is appropriate in some situations (hunting, hiking, or in rural work environments) it becomes inappropriate and inflammatory outside of those environments.

This is why concealed-carry permits should be issued to those that wish to carry guns.

While much of the paranoia of the gun-owning right is hysterical bullshit (armed revolution? Really?) it does not change the fact that their worries about some sort of gun-culture war being waged on them are not entirely unfounded. You say so yourself that "in many folks' eyes, are dangerous with their paranoia and political beliefs." So you find their political beliefs dangerous and seek to disarm them... which winds up completely justifying them.

Look at the OPs and replies on DU about this... guns are a sickness, a disease, yet at the same time they mock people for saying things like "Democrats are coming for our guns".

Anti-gun/pro-gun-control DUers can be depended upon to bemoan the widespread availability of guns, the high rate of guns per-capita, and the high rate of gun ownership. So how can this be addressed (changed) except by, in one way or another, lowering the gun-ownership-per-capita and the guns-per-capita rates?



The gun ownership rate is about 30 to 35%; it's been decreasing slowly for a few decades as demographics change. I feel that at some point in my lifetime, without any changes in laws, the gun-ownership rate would fall to about 20 to 25% and stay there. This would be the "natural" demand for guns. So how do you propose to change this, to move it even lower?

The other issue is that the most popularly-supported gun-control proposals, such as assault-weapon bans and magazine limits, are ineffective measures. They are designed to achieve political goals; they cannot change the numbers on the ground. 99% of homicide incidents have either one or two victims; limiting magazine capacities will not have a noticeable impact. Neither will banning "assault weapons", as all rifles account for only a about 5% of homicides, and people will simply by "almost-assault-weapon" rifles after a ban. And the same features and accessories that are now common on "assault weapons" will show up on non-assault-weapon tactical rifles, such as pump-action or lever-action guns. Pistol grips, bayonet lugs, matte-black finishes, red-dot scopes, detachable magazines, attachment points for flashlights and lasers, flash reducers, barrel shrouds, quick-adjustable buttstocks, folding buttstocks, and front-end pistol grips will be features of tactical pump-action and lever-action rifles.

Those measures, however, will, motivate and politicize gun-owners, who will vote Republican, and then life-destroying conservative policies will be the law of the land. There is a ton of stuff that we should be doing that will not only lower the crime rate (including, of course, gun crimes) but will increase the standards of living of the entire population.

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how many times have Duckhunter935 May 2014 #1
when "responsible" gun owners fail to set limits on AR15 toting bullies scaring children hlthe2b May 2014 #3
actually there is a significant portion of the progun community that is against bossy22 May 2014 #5
that would be the majority of gun owners Duckhunter935 May 2014 #6
Would that be the "silent majority"? kentuck May 2014 #7
they arent so silent bossy22 May 2014 #10
All these "responsible" folks must have no pull... kentuck May 2014 #12
because most of the progun movement sees this as an internal matter bossy22 May 2014 #15
Self-regulation works perfectly well. Just ask Exxon! Scootaloo May 2014 #27
It's a great question... Agschmid May 2014 #17
Texas Gun Rights Groups Issue Statement on Open Carry, Clarify Stance on Long Gun Carry Duckhunter935 May 2014 #14
it hurts gun owners bossy22 May 2014 #19
Yo, Texasss and everyone else.. Unless you are hunting deer in Walmart or Dunkin Donuts rustydog May 2014 #54
Why are some so f-----g deaf? Maybe because what Eleanors38 May 2014 #45
Interesting, given how few speak up to the issue... hlthe2b May 2014 #8
if you go to texas open carry's fb page there was a whole discussion bossy22 May 2014 #11
Good to know and to know you too feel that way, bossy hlthe2b May 2014 #13
Two of us Duckhunter935 May 2014 #16
Responsible gun owners have no more sway over them... NutmegYankee May 2014 #60
Political party has nothing to do with it upaloopa May 2014 #37
and it is still legal to own Duckhunter935 May 2014 #38
You're damned straight we get worked up. upaloopa May 2014 #49
My priorities Duckhunter935 May 2014 #51
May the farce be with you... Eleanors38 May 2014 #46
What is the tie with guns and the Democratic Party? upaloopa May 2014 #50
nice to have a legal hobby Duckhunter935 May 2014 #52
It is still a part of the negetive gun culture legal or not. It would be a much more heroic thing upaloopa May 2014 #57
I do Duckhunter935 May 2014 #58
Forget the sainthood, look at the problem of violence in society... Eleanors38 May 2014 #55
no there is no dofferece. Nice try, You contribute to the gun culture that is destroying us. upaloopa May 2014 #56
in the age of guns, KT2000 May 2014 #2
"Right OR Wrong"???? dickthegrouch May 2014 #4
we should never intend to kill someone bossy22 May 2014 #9
So if you see a guy walk into your kids classroom JJChambers May 2014 #44
It's not necessary to kill him dickthegrouch May 2014 #59
Wow JJChambers May 2014 #61
The government should require all adult men to be armed and to join a state militia YoungDemCA May 2014 #18
They wore wigs and stockings too. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #23
it's still a police state if everyone has to watch what they do: doesn't matter if the gunmen MisterP May 2014 #20
I hope you aren't overly-concerned about those clods. Eleanors38 May 2014 #47
Time to move to a civilized country. UK, Australia look good Dems to Win May 2014 #21
I say we stay and try to make the US a civilized country etherealtruth May 2014 #24
Too many gun nuts believe the Founders wanted them to rise up against the government. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #22
Thomas Jefferson doesn't help davidn3600 May 2014 #30
Funny how these gun nuts only rise up when a Democrat is in charge.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #33
It's really bad when you tell you're roommate there's been another mass shooting justiceischeap May 2014 #25
I'm old enough to remember when it was postal workers who were going postal. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #34
The reality is that no matter how many gun owners claim to be responsible SheilaT May 2014 #26
Plus there is no way of knowing when someone will snap. llmart May 2014 #32
And, as I think you are intending, the not being able to know when someone will SheilaT May 2014 #35
So true. llmart May 2014 #39
No, never. bettyellen May 2014 #28
I expect the NRA will step up to the plate Turbineguy May 2014 #29
Of course they're being used smallcat88 May 2014 #31
"How do you fix stupid?" Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #36
Good one! smallcat88 May 2014 #43
You're talking to a country that has torture camps Corruption Inc May 2014 #40
Now... kentuck May 2014 #41
I agree that open-carriers are, generally speaking, needlessly inflammatory krispos42 May 2014 #42
we have already accepted the reality of the gun humpers winning Skittles May 2014 #48
define gun humper? Duckhunter935 May 2014 #53
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