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liberalhistorian

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46. OK, that's even more

Sun May 25, 2014, 11:10 PM

May 2014

"magical thinking"! First of all, most states have very few "state hospitals" anymore, and some don't have any at all. And the few that do exist are overcrowded, understaffed and undertreated and that's not changing anytime soon because there's no money and no will for it. And take a look at some of the conditions inside these "hospitals". Minnesota's hospital in St. Peter comes immediately to mind, it's had problems in that regard for years, and that was only when it became publicly known. God knows what was happening before that.

And let's not go down that slippery slope, please. We all know that once the ball gets rolling, it won't be just the people you're thinking of who'll be locked up. And once they're locked up, the key is generally thrown away, as is their life.

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Those who stigmatize mental illness are harming my family, they can all fuck off. [View all] Bjorn Against May 2014 OP

I'm sorry your family suffers from mental illness JJChambers May 2014 #1

You need to stop with your bigoted attacks on the mentally ill. Now. Bjorn Against May 2014 #3

There's nothing wrong with locking up someone who is a danger to himself and others JJChambers May 2014 #4

there's a lot wrong with how that's been implemented everywhere it's been cali May 2014 #7

It says a lot about you that you would ask me to step back from an issue that effects my family Bjorn Against May 2014 #10

What in the hell makes you think that liberalhistorian May 2014 #23

Involuntary commitment to the state hospital JJChambers May 2014 #26

no difference iamthebandfanman May 2014 #33

Someone who has been involuntarily committed is flagged and cannot buy a gun JJChambers May 2014 #44

I'd be more concerned with people with a history of domestic abuse having a gun. Neoma May 2014 #60

They can buy them privately, am I correct? nt No Vested Interest May 2014 #75

Not legally Lee-Lee May 2014 #82

OK, that's even more liberalhistorian May 2014 #46

I 'finally' crashed and I happened to do it in VA. greiner3 May 2014 #65

Take their rights away when they have done nothing wrong. phil89 May 2014 #92

The great majority of the mentally ill aren't particularly dangerous. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #64

No one said this person's family member was a danger to anyone Leme May 2014 #99

No, he needs to take a step back because... JJChambers May 2014 #103

I consider it a greater attack Leme May 2014 #104

and YOU don't have a frickin' clue what you are talking about. none. zip. zilch. zero. cali May 2014 #5

be careful what you wish for Skittles May 2014 #6

If homicidal ideation is grounds for involuntary committed, then a significant amount of our society TexasTowelie May 2014 #14

This is one of the best posts in this thread. murielm99 May 2014 #18

And it's very frightening how many liberalhistorian May 2014 #28

HI and SI are grounds for commitment rustydog May 2014 #86

I don't know the specific details in Texas, but I believe there are similar requirements. TexasTowelie May 2014 #90

Why are you bringing Rodger Elliot into this ? Leme May 2014 #96

The OP started this based on his other posts in the Elliot threads JJChambers May 2014 #97

I stayed away from the santa Barbara threads, the Elliot threads Leme May 2014 #100

One may wonder your own reaction should you be committed (rightly or wrongly) involuntarily. LanternWaste May 2014 #98

K&R, and the Greatest Page for you. n/t CaliforniaPeggy May 2014 #2

k&r Starry Messenger May 2014 #8

I think we should have a way to distinguish mentally ill people like your brother pnwmom May 2014 #9

That part about him accumulating an arsenal is where the problem should have been dealt with Bjorn Against May 2014 #12

If Elliot Rodger had been involuntarily committed he would have been barred from purchasing a gun JJChambers May 2014 #15

I am done with your bigotry. Bjorn Against May 2014 #19

What do you suggest to protect society? JJChambers May 2014 #24

Yes, look at all the mentally ill who are liberalhistorian May 2014 #30

I think you're doing two things JJChambers May 2014 #34

I wasn't talking about state liberalhistorian May 2014 #43

They're more like to end up in prisons if they don't get treatment from hospitals and pnwmom May 2014 #80

I'd rather lock you up for being a poster who clearly has hearing problems. Neoma May 2014 #63

I feel your pain. bravenak May 2014 #72

Do you object to 3 day involuntary commitments for people whose family and/or doctors pnwmom May 2014 #32

I should hope not JJChambers May 2014 #36

There needs to be a mechanism other than "involuntarily commitment". Half-Century Man May 2014 #39

"One which would suspend access to firearms pending further assessment" AngryDem001 May 2014 #61

It would reduce the numbers available, particularly of assault weapons. The fact that pnwmom May 2014 #81

The Navy Yard shooter is a bad example Lee-Lee May 2014 #84

Any limits are only as good as what the government knows about a person in order to judge Lee-Lee May 2014 #83

You have no business even suggesting my family may be "shielding" my brother Bjorn Against May 2014 #85

Sorry, reality can be harsh Lee-Lee May 2014 #87

I am not sure about this shielding. Having dealt with the mentally ill, up to and through the courts freshwest May 2014 #95

Assuming his brother is dangerous merely due to mental illness is bigotry. Period. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #94

We don't. Period. cali May 2014 #25

we should have a way. we dont. the science is not there yet. mopinko May 2014 #57

How about common sense? When family members and doctors agree pnwmom May 2014 #79

common sense is no replacement for science. mopinko May 2014 #88

I'm sorry you feel hurt but I don't feel that way ecstatic May 2014 #11

What science am I ignoring? Bjorn Against May 2014 #13

you're speaking in generalities, while others are being very specific ecstatic May 2014 #20

well Leme May 2014 #102

There is a vast difference between a 3 day involuntary commitment, based on evidence pnwmom May 2014 #35

Your post should not have been hidden. bravenak May 2014 #16

are you saying what Ronald Reagan did was "For the best"? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #21

No. bravenak May 2014 #40

We lock them away in prison.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #42

I didn't know that. bravenak May 2014 #47

It didn't use to be this way....AND families had better options...you didn't JUST have to decide VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #50

Here you go.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #52

Thank you. bravenak May 2014 #55

I hate him even more now. bravenak May 2014 #70

K&R. TexasTowelie May 2014 #17

Thanks, you are a good person and you do not deserve to face stigma. Bjorn Against May 2014 #22

I'd just like to send you this cali May 2014 #27

I don't have an answer, but for years we locked up the mentally ill, and... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #29

Locked out of your own earlier OP, so you're giving it another go? 1000words May 2014 #31

Attacking the mentally ill is attacking my family Bjorn Against May 2014 #37

Each day on DU, there are some pretty nasty things said about Republicans in general. 1000words May 2014 #51

A cyber-fit? Bjorn Against May 2014 #53

Rounding up and imprisoning is exactly what we used to do. JoeyT May 2014 #68

This is true 1000words May 2014 #71

sorry, but mopinko May 2014 #56

Pardon? 1000words May 2014 #59

yeah, no, you are. mopinko May 2014 #62

I didn't have the opportunity to engage Bjorn in the other thread. 1000words May 2014 #66

"let's not pretend that it would only be people like him that would be locked away". THANK you for uppityperson May 2014 #38

How can your family be under attack by people on message boards on the internet? treestar May 2014 #41

The problem goes far beyond this message board Bjorn Against May 2014 #45

I also remember meeting that one fundy who read the bible literally... LanternWaste May 2014 #101

Bro dogknob May 2014 #48

The extreme paranoia and auditory hallucinations ... 1000words May 2014 #54

Mental illness and hyper-machismo certainly aren't mutually exclusive, though. Just saying. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #69

Of course not. dogknob May 2014 #73

As I've said before, it seems to have been a "perfect storm" of malign influences. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #74

I live in Bro Central: San Clemente, CA dogknob May 2014 #76

San Clemente? My sympathies... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #77

It's a long story, but living in Calibama has its perks. dogknob May 2014 #78

agreed. I skimmed through a large part of his manifesto... magical thyme May 2014 #91

people, even here, have a very hard time mopinko May 2014 #89

It is just another manifestation of "fear of the other" Half-Century Man May 2014 #49

my best to you and your family. mopinko May 2014 #58

K&R DeSwiss May 2014 #67

I'm mentally ill too Prophet 451 May 2014 #93